Dan Minette wrote:
> 
> > Yeah, but that's often what is demanded, expectations aside.
> 
> I don't see what I want as quite that demanding.  I realize that I often use
> data to back up my points, and have  implicitly expected that contrary
> opinions also be backed up by either a reanalysis of my data or by other
> data.

Sounds like I got confused by the slight difference between expectation
and demand.

> Is finding information really that much easier for me than others?  Maybe I
> have unusal skills in internet searches, but I can usually find what I need
> with a bit of poking around.  I dunno.

Time.

> In the case where I upset you, I and Gautam had written 5-6 posts on the
> subject, in the parent thread of the post you responded to.  I admit that
> seeing a post that ignored several posts that I thought were fairly clear
> bugged me.  I thought of reposting the conventions, but I didn't want to
> waste bandwidth, and decided to ask pointed questions instead. I'm sorry if
> you though that was rude, but I meant no more than for you to go back and
> read my quotation of the convention and think about what it meant.

I don't read every single post.  If I did, I'd waste my life trying to
keep up with  massive posts designed to bury opponents under a barrage
of intellectual goop. I'd rather have a reasonable discussion about
topics then expose myself to endless, mindnumbing emails whose only
purpose is to show off the author's intellectual prowess.  

> Does this make sense to you?  Is there some way we can all come to an
> agreement/understanding that doesn't stifle any of us?

Probably.  I'm not mad, not upset, simply not happy to let inconsiderate
behavior towards me stand unchallanged.  If I'm wrong, I'm wrong - and
I'm far more happy to admit that fact than some people here. However,
long, loud, obviously disdainful rants that approch (and sometimes
exceed) 15-20kb is more than a little stifling.

As for stifling.. I'll point you back towards Jim's post of yesterday
(which I kept since I wanted to respond):

"For me, it seems that there are about two handfuls of people on the
llist that simply make it their business to be extremely
well-informed about whatever events are being discussed. No one likes to
go to a gunfight wielding a knife, so many
people whose readings are not as extensive may stay out of many of the
arguments because they don't wish to have
"the smacketh" laid down upon their opinions. "

I agree - this isn't a place I can contribute to or be part of when I
get slammed for posting an idea, a thought, or so on that you find to be
poorly based. Rather than dump a barrage of verbage on me, why not point
out the problem in a respectful way?  If you could manage to do that,
I'd sure be a lot happier being here as a MEMBER of the community who
contributes, rather than just a lurker who's afraid to say anything.

-j-

-- 
moo.

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