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From: "Richard Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Brin-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: The Shooting Room Paradox


> Dan said:
>
> [Quantum non-locality]
>
> > This is a subject I've been interested in from way back, long before
> > it was cool.
>
> I find it hard to believe there was any time since Einstein and Bohr's
> arguments on the conceptual foundations when quantum non-locality
> wasn't cool. Maybe it wasn't popular though :)

I found it interesting that it got to be a hot topic after I was involved
with it.


> I've been interested in non-locality since I first read the chapter on
> the conceptual foundations of quantum mechanics in _The New Physics_
> (ed. Paul Davies) when I was in high school. I'm falling a little
> behind the state of the art in the subject though - the last time I
> read any papers on non-locality was when I did a literature review on
> the subject back when I was an undergraduate.

I do try to keep up.  I'm also in a bit of a different position, since I do
have a philosophy degree and have illusions of semi-retiring and spending
some time writing in the area of the philosophy of QM. :-)



> Wouldn't it be wonderful if the causal structure of spacetime, quantum
> non-locality and objective randomness all turned out to be consequences
> of a nice, simple principle? It seems almost magical the way they fit
> together.

I'm not quite sure what you are getting at.  I think they do fit together
well, and I do see basic principals that are underly they interrelationship.
But, those principals are metaphysical, not physical.  Thus, they have to do
with the explanation of QM instead of an underlying structure.



> Is the Bell-Wigner interpretation the one in which minds reduce quantum
> states? (I think I'm managing to stay moderately interpretation-neutral
> when I think about quantum mechanics. It seems to me that non of the
> interpretations is particularly good. I wonder if Weird Quantum Aliens
> would run into similar issues of interpretation when they probed the
> physics of the macroscopic realm.)

Bell and Wigner are the ones who showed that there cannot be a local hidden
variable theory.


>
> > I was even able to talk to Wigner about that before he died.
>
> That is cool.
>
> > From what I've heard from John Baez over on sci.physics, there is
> > gonna be nothing that looks the least bit natural about quantum
> > gravity when it comes.
>
> I don't know about that. Some of the recent work on spin foams looks
> like it might lead to a nice, simple, elegant theory. Of course, it
> equally well might not...

Well, we have gotten different feels on this.  Since I'm a plumber, maybe we
have different ideas of nice and simple.

> Did you read the quantum gravity seminar reports at
> http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/qg.html ? The book there is quite nice
> too. I wish I had time to really learn some of that stuff properly.
>

Me too.

Dan M.

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