Dan said:

> I found it interesting that it got to be a hot topic after I was
> involved with it.

I suppose this is because Bell had just proven his celebrated theorem in
1971 and at about the same time the state of the art in quantum optics
had advanced far enough that it was possible to actually perform EPR
experiments, as Freedman and Clauser did in 1972. It must've been an
exciting time :)

> I do try to keep up. I'm also in a bit of a different position, since
> I do have a philosophy degree and have illusions of semi-retiring and
> spending some time writing in the area of the philosophy of QM. :-)

That would be really fun. Have you read Redhead's _Incompleteness,
Nonlocality and Realism_?

[Fitting together QM and SR]

> I'm not quite sure what you are getting at. I think they do fit
> together well, and I do see basic principals that are underly they
> interrelationship. 

Here's roughly what I meant. Quantum mechanics and special relativity
both have a number of conceptual innovations with respect to the
Newtonian worldview. Special relativity gives us a new view of the
causal structure of the past in which past/present/future is replaced
by "absolute past" / "causally disconnected" / "absolute future". In
special relativity, there is no absolute standard of simultaneity and
any communication that is simultaneous in a given inertial reference
frame can be used to violate causality in another (actually, this is
not quite true - it requires two such simultaneous communications).
Quantum mechanics, in contrast, preserves Newtonian causality but
introduces such ideas as objective randomness, irreducible uncertainty
in measurements and non-locality. It might therefore seem that the two
theories wouldn't fit together because non-locality could be used to
communicate simultaneously and so violate causality. However, this
isn't the case because, although QM has non-local correlations between
measurements, one of the other conceptual innovations, objective
randomness, steps in to prevent us from using non-locality for
communication. It's this that seems to me to be surprising - that we
can take these two entirely separate sets of conceptual innovations and
use them all. (Indeed, we can make quantum field theory by treating
them all as axioms, and get such wonderful new things as the
spin-statistics theorem by imposing the need for a Minkowskian causal
structure more rigorously. Not that quantum field theory is entirely
free of problems...)

> But, those principals are metaphysical, not physical. 

What are these principles?

> Bell and Wigner are the ones who showed that there cannot be a local
> hidden variable theory.

Yes. I knew that, of course. You just used the word "interpretation" and
I was wondering if they'd come up with a full interpretation of QM. I
wouldn't call Bell's theorem an "interpretation" as such - I'd save
that word for things like the Many Worlds interpretation or the
Copenhagen interpretation.

[Spin foams]

> Well, we have gotten different feels on this. Since I'm a plumber,
> maybe we have different ideas of nice and simple.

I think that a statement like "the universe is a spin foam of
such-and-such a type" is as nice and simple as "the universe is a
Riemannian manifold" as a view of space and time. Indeed, it might even
be simpler because it doesn't rely on stuff from analysis and
differential geometry but only graph theory. Of course, they're still
far short of a proper theory of quantum gravity, but it seems to me
that they'll probably end up with something much simpler than
superstring theory (which is, however, much more ambitious) or even
than the Standard Model. I mean, I've done entire courses on QFT and I
still couldn't describe the theory in simple terms.

Rich

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