At 10:40 AM 4/23/02, you wrote: >Somebody wrote: > > >>> > I was having a discussion with some pretty intractable > creationists the > > >>> > other day, and one of them was making the particularly specious > > >>> > argument that evolution is bad science because it is not based on > > >>> > observed experiments. That is, no one has ever actually > observed the > > >>> > creation of a new species over successive generations. > > >>> > > >>>And exactly how many people have observed the actual creation of the > world, > > >>>the universe and everything in it? > > >> ></quote> > > >Ronn Blankenship wrote: > > >>All of us. > > >Jeroen wrote: > > >Nonsense. Man was > >(Ronn:) > > _physically_ > >(Jeroen:) > > >created after everything else (assuming you are a > > >supporter of Creationism) > >(Ronn:) > > Well, you know what happens when you ass�u�me . . . > > > > ;-) > >So then you're saying that according to Creationism, >God doesn't create people's souls? Where does he get >them then?, and why aren't we worshipping that instead?
WADR, it seems I must repeat the question that everybody seems to conveniently snip out of their replies: "Did you read the references?" ;-) And I suspect that most of those who label themselves "creationists" or "creation scientists" (the majority of whom seem to be evangelical Christians of some sort) would object strongly to the suggestion that their beliefs had anything in common with what I referred to . . . >And if he DOES create souls, it does not mention that >he did/does so long before there's any physical body >to inhabit. So again you're stuck with not witnessing >the creation event. Many Christians believe that God has no physical body. I suppose we could ask one if He could witness His own creation of the Universe . . . ? >Besides, the whole line of reasoning has been hashed over >and over again because you don't need *human* consiousness >to collapse a wave function in this model. God is supposed >to be all-seeing and all-knowing, so he would be collapsing >any and every quantum wave function just by existing... ;-) > > >(Jeroen:) > > >so it is impossible for anyone to have observed the actual > > >creation -- man was not around yet. > >Impossible for any *person* to witness. > >-- Matt > >Not that I believe the Creationists theories. There's plenty >of room for spirituality without having to believe that every >word of the Bible is literally true. > >And as for the theory that the dawn of consciousness crystallized >the formless void borrowed from the vacuum, filling in all of the >details retroactively at the speed of light, wouldn't that >mean that experiments in astronomy, geology, etc. would have to >behave much differently than they do in order to accomodate that? -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam� God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989)
