Robert Seeberger wrote:

> Do you watch many American movies in english? (I mean without dubbing or
> subtitles)
> If not, it may help fine tune your understanding of the ins and outs of the
> less formal forms of english speech.

Almost exclusively. (The Dutch don't dub, it's too expensive for a too small an
audience, except for the occasional children's movie that is) Still constantly
hearing English doesn't really help to fine tune to that level. And anyway the
Hollywood genre mostly contains the f*ck, sh*th**d and b*st*rd style. I do like
watching BBC programs. But they are notorious for silencing *anything* that
might even be slightly abusive to anyone.

There is that finer grade of understanding. Being a German (with a strong German
background) in the Netherlands I do sometimes have problems with it in the
(absolutely very tolerant, calvinistic, informal) Netherlands. I have
experienced at times, that as soon as soon as you speak the language without any
obvious  accent, people become very unforging towards the slightest language or
social mistake. There is that something (the je ne sais qua) in a society that
you can only pick up on if you are physically in that country, and someone
almost rubs it in your face. Also I have found that for people in their
surrounding, some things are so very obvious to them that it would never in a
million years occur to them to explain it to anyone. (Language wise or other)

I especially had *that* problem in Belgium (very conservative, catholic,
rightwing country with a very rigid society structure). Although the Dutch and a
large  part of the Belgians speak the same language there are some huge cultural
differences you'd never pick up on if you weren't actually living there. I used
to work in Belgium and at times the intolerance got so bad that I had to remind
my collegues that I am still a foreigner among their midst even if the language
is the same. They sort of never thought of me as a foreigner, therefor they
treated (and thereby also judged) me as one of their own. And that is no fun for
someone with a very liberal, free, non religous and informal upbringing. The
German background being more rigid and formal then any Belgian could ever be,
(the part gets me into trouble in the Netherlands) did however help me very well
to adjust to the Belgians.

Sonja

Wadda ja mean, multicultural? :o)

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