----- Original Message ----- From: "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 6:55 AM Subject: RE: Of Apologies And The Wall Of Shame Not Being Built
> At 08:25 08-05-2002 -0700, Adam Lipscomb wrote: > > >You speak of others and their high horses, yet you continue to maintain > >that your "Wall of Shame" will serve a constructive purpose > > If it gets people to think twice before sending some flaming response or > any other form of personal attack to the list, I think it *does* serve a > constructive purpose: it keeps the list free of such personal attacks. > > > >Marvin has been working his a$$ off, playing Jimmy Carter to the Anwar > >Sadats and Menachim Begins of this list, trying to build build a spirit > >of reconciliation, and you seem to be incapable of admitting that you > >are ust as responsible as those that have attacked you for the current > >feelings of distrust and animosity on the list. > > I admit that I share the responsibility, but I have not heard my "chief > tormentors" (to quote Erik Reuter) admit their responsibility. Also, I have > supported Marvin's proposal of blanket apology and general pardon, again > something I cannot say about my "chief tormentors". > Jeroen, let me point at a few thought I have on this subject. 1 I think enough people have shown support for a "cease fire" and participated in "peace talks" that we can claim to have a decisive concensus. 2 With such a concensus, I think we are guarateed support if one or the other of us steps over the line of good behavior. I really believe that most of us take this quite seriously. 3 A person will no longer be isolated from large portions of the group by disagreeing with anyone as long as he/she treat others with the same respect he/she wishes to be treated with. 4 A little more acceptance of the idea that people will sometimes speak in anger is required. With this acceptance in place, others will have more freedom to apologise while retaining dignity. Your dignity is my dignity. 5 Jeroen, you really are the key person in this discussion. What you decide will make the biggest difference. I hate to lay such a heavy burden at your door, but the truth is, everything you say and do is being reacted to by many people here. This is your chance to make a difference for the future of the list. 6 This is a moment that could be one of Brin-Ls finest. 7 No matter what, we are still friends! Okay? xponent Smooth Noodle Maps Maru rob
