> From: K. Feete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The Fool wrote: > > >No. Which exactly my point. If I can't prove my own existence I also > >can't prove god's existence. Math exists whether god, the universe, > >consciousness, I, etc. exist. Math is the only thing that is > >transcendent. And those math proofs do exist. > > Yes, but, as Searle and Merleau-Ponty are both so fond of pointing out,
> no one seriously questions that they exist. It's simply that conciousness > cannot be proven via scientific method because the scientific method > relies on objectivity and conciousness is by its very nature subjective. > > I'd also question the mathematical point. One arguement is that math > proofs only exist because we have a concept of mathematics, and so only > exist because we are concious, and so are in fact based in a subjective > assumption. <GRIN> But that's me, and therefore shaky. Let me refer you > to Immanuel Kant: Galaxies, black holes, stars, all formed before the first single celled organism ate the second. This happened because of the intersection of two things: Mathematics and the four known fundamental constants. Had these constants been different the mathematics would have described a completely different universe, one that probably wouldn't have life. Math is transcendant. _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
