----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Gabriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:25 PM Subject: Re: Corrected French history (was RE: Deadlier Than War)
> >From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Corrected French history (was RE: Deadlier Than War) > >Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:34:58 -0600 > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 3:06 PM > >Subject: Re: Corrected French history (was RE: Deadlier Than War) > > > > > > > > > No, spoken like someone who knows that with most people in such a > > > situation, their survival instinct kicks in and takes over. > > > >But, Gautam provided plenty of counterexamples in other countries where the > >Nazis attacked. Examples where people's lives were saved > > > > > So, in your opinion, all those Europeans who *didn't* hide Jews or > >helped > > > them get out of Europe during WW2 were collaborating with the Nazis. > >Your > > > insults just never end, do they? > > > >No, just cowards. That's pretty well the definition, not willing to take > >even a moderate risk to oneself to prevent great harm to another? > > Moderate risk? It was a _major_ risk. A HUGE risk. People who were > discovered protecting Jews were treated like Jews. They risked not only > their own lives but those of their families. They may have been cowards but > I can understand their fear. But, didn't the Danish protect most of their Jews? Wasn't the government involved? Was any action taken against those who did? And, I quickly looked at the Anne Frank website where I obtained: <quote> During the hiding period Anne Frank kept a diary. In it she described daily life in the back anexe, the isolation and the fear of discovery. Anne's diary survived the war: after the betrayal it was found by Miep Gies, one of the helpers. When it was confirmed that Anne would not be returning, Miep gave the manuscripts to Otto Frank. In 1947 the first Dutch edition appeared. Since then the diary has been published in more then 55 languages. <end quote> It seems that the helpers were not sent to concentration camps. Further at http://auschwitz.dk/Annefrank.htm we have <quote> In addition, four people acted as helpers for the people in the annex, and brought them food, supplies and news of the world outside the darkened windows. These protectors had placed themselves at great personal risk because they could have been arrested and jailed for helping Jews. All of these people worked at the business that had belonged to Otto Frank. <end quote> I'm reminded of stories told by Russian house guests that illustrated how many levels of resistance is possible. He was asked, on several occasions, to join the Communist party. He always politely refused, saying now is not the right time, but maybe later. Most of the well educated behaved in the same way: a very minor resistance to the the Soviet government. They did not show the courage of the Refusenicks. But, they showed a bit of courage. There are always many levels of being able to resist. I may or may not be willing to put my childrens lives at risk to hide Jews, I see in a later post that you are looking at who was sent to concentration camps for helping Jews. That would be worth determining. Dan M. Dan M. _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
