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> I was further arguing that in Vichy
> France (for example) there wasn't much risk to helping
> people escape because the Germans _weren't there_.

I'd have to go dig up the sources again, but in theory, anyone protecting
Jews in France at that time was to be treated the same as the Jews.  I say
"in theory" because this apparently was the directive from Hitler and others
at the top, but the German officers in France were apparently reluctant to
carry out those orders.  As for the French police, I haven't seen anything
that indicated if they went along with that, but there are anecdotes in
which they clearly knew that some French were hiding Jews, but were not
punished for it.  So I guess it's a bit ambiguous.  The potential risk was
high, given the German policy from on high, but the reality seemed to be
that one could get away with it.  Considering that more than three-quarters
of Jews in France in 1940 survived, it seems that something was working.

As for the timeline, the French Jews apparently went to Auschwitz in the
spring of 1942; Hitler did not order the occupation of Vichy France until
November of that year.

> brunt of it, and they didn't really care.  Had it been
> Catholics (for example) I think things might have been
> different.

No doubt, although I head in this direction with trepidation.  There was a
longstanding connection between Catholicism and anti-Semitism (anti-
anything not Catholic) in France.  The most well-documented effort to hide a
large number of Jews in France, which I referenced earlier, was led by
Protestant pastors.  The silence of the Church of Rome in France at that
time is very difficult to accept.  But there is a much larger issue, of
course, about the church and the Nazis, what should have been said and done
when, which has begun to be addressed in the last few years.

> But we have a relative scale here, in terms of most
> effective to least effective resistance:
> Serbs and Russians (militarily)
> Danes (saving their Jews)
> and, at the bottom,
> France (which did neither).  Given that some people
> did manage to do it, what's your explanation for why
> others, in basically the same circumstances, failed?

How can France be at the bottom when more than three-quarters survived?
France had a higher proportion of survivors than most, since the overall
survival rate in Europe was only 40 percent...?  In these terms, the
countries with the lowest proportion surviving (in order) would be Poland
(by far, the saddest, with a 1.5 percent survival rate), Czechoslovakia,
Yugoslavia, Netherlands, Greece, Hungary, the Ukraine.

In fact, as far as I can see, France had the highest survival rate -- 78% --
of all of the nations of Europe (I had no idea) other than Finland, Denmark
and Bulgaria.  I'm finding varying estimates for Italy, so it's not clear
where it stands relative to France.

Various Holocaust web sites seem to name Ukrainians, the Poles, Croats, and
Lithuanians as those who most collaborated with the Nazis.

Living in a world of statistics these days (and waiting for a very long
database index update), I looked for some patterns in the basic data.

* The nations with the highest proportion of pre-war Jewish population also
tended to have the highest percentage loss.  They are Poland, Lithuania,
Hungary, Latvia, Slovakia, Netherlands, Greece, Luxembourg.  Two anomalies,
though -- Romania and Austria, where the Jewish losses were quite a bit
lower than in the rest of that group.

* France falls just after the nations above, with a pre-war population that
was 0.8 percent Jewish and a 22 percent loss.  Germany itself had almost the
same pre-war percentage of Jews, but its loss rate was 24 percent.

* Yugoslavia is anomalous at the other end of the scale, having a pre-war
Jewish percentage of only 0.5 percent, but a loss of 72 percent.  I'm afraid
this may have been the work of my ancestors.  My namesake was Croatian.  He
lived on a small island in the Adriatic, so I could hope that he wasn't part
of the collaboration.

Perhaps it should go without saying, but surely it would be wrong to assume
that survival rates directly correspond to resistance.  Surely they have a
great deal to do with geography and German priorities.  But I'm out of my
depth as far as being able to make any informed summary in that regard.

Here's the data...

Country       Total        Jews        Pre-war %   Losses     % Lost
Poland        22,000,000   3,300,000      15.00%  2,900,000     88%
Lithuania      2,879,070     168,000       5.84%    140,000     83%
Greece         6,204,684      77,380       1.25%     60,000     78%
Latvia         1,950,502      91,500       4.69%     70,000     77%
Slovakia       3,329,793      88,950       2.67%     68,000     76%
Yugoslavia    15,500,000      78,000       0.50%     56,200     72%
Netherlands    8,900,000     140,000       1.57%    100,000     71%
Hungary       14,683,323     825,000       5.62%    550,000     67%
Luxembourg       300,000       3,500       1.17%      1,950     56%
Norway         2,814,194       1,700       0.06%        762     45%
Romania       19,933,802     609,000       3.06%    271,000     44%
Belgium        8,300,000      65,700       0.79%     28,900     44%
Estonia        1,133,917       4,500       0.40%      1,500     33%
USSR         170,467,000   3,020,000       1.77%  1,000,000     33%
Austria        7,009,014     185,000       2.64%     50,000     27%
Germany       69,622,483     556,000       0.80%    134,500     24%
France        41,907,056     350,000       0.84%     77,320     22%
Italy         42,993,602      44,500       0.10%      7,680     17%
Denmark        3,706,349       7,800       0.21%         60      1%
Finland        3,667,067       2,000       0.05%          7      0%
Bulgaria       6,200,000      50,000       0.81%          0      0%

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