"John D. Giorgis" wrote:

> One of the original principles of this List is that it should be open to
> "rough-and-tumble" adult conservation.   So long as Gautam is employing a
> semblance of rasoning and attempting to engage in constructive discussion,
> I think that there is nothing wrong with him being a little heated in his
> language.   Or to put it simply - I hardly think that Gautam was engaging
> in particularly uncivil behaviour to warrant the level of on-list
> rebukement generated.

John--
        I mostly agree with you here.  I certainly would not be 
offended if someone accidentally insulted me in the heat of an argument.
I guess what jumped out at me in my recent exchanges with Gautam was 
that it looked like he was intentionally delivering a mild insult 
at the end of every post.  Most of his reply would be perfectly 
civil, and then there would always be a dig at the end.  I can't 
really argue that this is any worse than my calling some of his
views ridiculous, and refusing to be respectful towards his 
president.  Still, I found it annoying, and commented on it.

> I know that I've said this one way or another 1,000 times - but it is worth
> reiterating....  We are all friends here, and if we are *serious* in
> wanting to make constructive changes in a friend's behavior - then we pull
> that friend aside OFFLIST to quietly let them know that we think they are
> starting to step over the line.   

        Normally I would.  This time, onlist felt right.  Maybe 
it was because it felt like he was doing it intentionally.  Got 
me.  Sorry.
                                        ---David
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