--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jan Coffey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 7:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Most Dangerous States
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> >
> > --- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:04 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Most Dangerous States
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 6:00 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Most Dangerous States
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > The molehill is not 100% fatal. Many people are shot each year
> and
> > > > survive.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And many more don't. Your chances of surviving are extremely
> greater if
> > > > you
> > > > > don't get shot at all.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sure, and you don't die in traffic accidents if you don't hit others
> > > cars.
> > > > But more people are killed by cars every year than by firearms.
> > >
> > > And, many more people lose money in traffic accidents than from crimes
> > > every year. So, maybe we worry to much about crime in general.
> > > The real question is the relative merit of stopping crimes by arming
> > > oneself with a gun in the nightstand vs. the demerits of that action.
> > >
> > > Indeed, if you talk about assaults, both physical and sexual, one is
> much
> > > much more likely to be assaulted by a family member or a friend of the
> > > family than by a stranger. Incest is far far more prevalent than
> sexual
> > > assaults by strangers assaulting a woman on the street; and is
> > > overwhelmingly more likely than someone breaking into a house to rape a
> > > woman.
> > >
> > > I realize that folks talk about these folks being monsters and needing
> to
> > > seriously punish them. But, if the numbers used by people working with
> > > victims and survivors are right, roughly 1 in 20 men (maybe 1 in 25)
> are
> > > pedophiles.
> >
> > I would have to strongly disagree with this. This is sexist feminist
> crap!
>
> Right, and my wife wasn't really a victim of sexual assault, its just that
> she's a feminist liar. Both women and men have been surveyed and about 1
> in 4 women have been the victim of a sexual assult, and about 1 in 7 men.
>
> Now, this is slightly old data, and I wouldn't be shocked if its down to 1
> in 5 women or 1 in 10 men. But a casual statistical survey of my friends
> indicates that the official numbers look close.
>
> If there is anything sexist, it is the denial of the frequency with which
> women become perps. When Teri was working groups for Parents Annomous, she
> was the only one who asked if the mother did anything.
>
>
> That's not all children, so not all count as pedophile.
>
> > Even if you run off and get stats for this you will have to show what the
> > definition is.
>
> The definition is pretty plain, men who are sexually attracted to children.
> I can get the exact definition, but I know that attraction to youth 13 and
> over doesn't count as pedophile.
>
>
>
> > Do 1 in 20 hetero males find 17 year old females attractive? I would
> argue
> > the number is much higher than just 1 in 20.
>
> Doesn't count.
>
>
> > What about 18 year old males who find 14 year old females attractive?
>
> Nope, its grown men and children.
>
> > If we are talking about post pubecent males who find pre-pubesent females
> > attractive, I seriously doubt the numbers would be high enough to make
> enven
> > a percentage.
>
> Well, from my perspective, you won't accept anything that doesn't fit your
> presuppositions.
>
>
> > If we further restrict it to only those who act on it then we would have
> even
> > lower numbers.
>
> But, the reality is that a significant fraction of men and women endure the
> shame of being the victim of sexual abuse. You'll be surprised at how many
> people are willing to talk about it only when it is made safe for them.
>
> > It is certain that pedifiles exist and they certainly have serious
> problems
> > that society needs to find a solution for. But to sugest that so many men
> are
> > like that is sexist IMO.
>
> Why? With your attitude, I'd be shocked if people would be likely to admit
> that they were victims to you. No hard feelings, but that type of denial is
> a good portion of why victims of sexual assault tend to keep their mouths
> shut.
>
> Dan M.
You don't know me, or my friends, my experiences, or obviously my sympathies
to those who have endured this type of crulty and evil.
I seem to have struck an emotional chord with you and I appologize if that
has made you angry at me, or hurt.
I do realize that there are many who are abused and attacked. I am not
suggesting otherwise. I am, however, suggesting that the stats are scued to
make the situation (as far as male perpitrators) seem more widespread than it
is.
Not that it is not a problem mind you.
There is also a distinct lack of data in these numbers about what part of
society the perpitrators come from.
Besides, if the numbers are so greate, wouldn't it seem wise for possible
victems to carry a leathal weapon?
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