On 23 Oct 2003 at 23:19, The Fool wrote: > > From: Andrew Crystall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > On 23 Oct 2003 at 21:55, The Fool wrote: > > > > > > From: Andrew Crystall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > On 23 Oct 2003 at 15:59, The Fool wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: Andrew Crystall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 22 Oct 2003 at 21:13, The Fool wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Fool wrote:. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >My understanding is that only outlook can open these > > > > > > > > > >messages. > > > > > > > Microsoft > > > > > > > > > >has said it would also provide a small stand alone > > > > > > > > > >(DRM) app to open messages for users of other > > > > > > > > > >software. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The Whole point is that it disallows other software > > > > > > > > > >from reading it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what about screen capture utilities? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Microsoft has been making changes in the API's / DirectX > > > > > > > to > be > > > > > > > able > > > > > to > > > > > > > give programs the ability to prevent this. The framework > > > > > > > has > > > been > > > > > > > in place for quite some time. > > > > > > > > > > > > They can change all they like. As long as it is displayed on > the > > > > > > monitor the program I use can capture it. It ties into the > > > > > > display drivers, not DirectX, for this very reason. > > > > > > > > > > Since When has windows NT/2000/XP allowed direct hardware > > > > > access? Never. > > > > > Display drivers do not access hardware directly. > > > > > > > > Uh? Um. Who said anything about hardware? I said drivers. They > > > > directly acccess the driver API. > > > > > > > > And no, the program is probably NOT legal in the US thanks to > > > > some of your recent laws. So if you're in the US, don't bother > > > > asking me for it. The creator won't give. > > > > > > And it's those very same API's you just mentioned that will stop > > > your driver from capturing video as part of a secure video > > > pipeline (or whater they're calling it now). No direct hardware > > > Access. > Encrypted > > > video channel. Eventually they plan to have the hardware makers > > > encrypt the signal on the cable between the video card and the > > > monitor. It'll work in the same way the 'secure audio channel' > works. > > > > So you'll deny programs access rights to the driver? I GOTTA see > > this. Games require that access to work. > > A program will be able to restrict access for other programs to access > it's data.
Yes, but *bats eyes* why would it not send data to a MONITOR. Get what the program does now? > > > > Get this through your skull. That is NOT direct hardware access. > > Everything is filtered through the driver API these days. > > > > Also, I'd like to see a realiable report (mainstream news, thanks) > > of that "encryption". Because there are a dozen technical objections > > I can immediately think of...and it wouldn't stop how the program I > > use works anyway. > > >From dozens of articles that were on the front pages of: C|Net, > >Wired, > TheRegister.co.uk, Slashdot, bpdg.blogs.eff.org, among others, also > white papers about microsofts DRM OS patents, white papers about > TCP/TCPA (the trusted computing platform alliance), CPRM > <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/17009.html>, SDMI, HDCP (If > your VCR is on the blacklist...no video for you.), and bunch of other > 'standards' being pushed that I forgot the acronym for that BPDG > /MPAA/RIAA/Microsoft/CPTWG/Etc. are pushing. > > Since you've been nasty, find it yourself. Don't come crying to me > when your special driver stops working. No links, that's precisely what I thought. Wouldn't matter anyway, since they'd need to tell the monitor-makers how to decrypt it, and that would be trivial to replicate. Also, you assume I'm going to use DRM. Don't. Half of those technologies are illegal in the EU according to the opinions of several major legal firms anyway. But I don't expect you to know about anything outside the US. Why would I cry to a myopic, do-nothing internet ranter? At least Lum did ranting with STYLE. Andy Dawn Falcon _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
