----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Coffey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.
> & other posts on this topic to boot. > > 1) Your doing it again, and this time, you are smothering a perfectly > resonable discussion on this human reaction which needs a name, with > a frivilous and debatable discussion on WWII. (yet again) Nah, one post cannot smother a reasonable discussion. The fact of the matter is that you have not been sucessful in persuading people to accept some of your main premises. Thus, there is no discussion on how and why those premises are true. Indeed, your postualtes require the dismissal of a large body of information; which makes them emperically suspect. > 2) No one, even the professor we were discussing in the previous > topic, ever compared Isreal to Nazi Germany on an equal scale. Let me quote: "And what are they doing with the Palestinians every day? They're killing them. They're doing the same thing that was done to them.... It's exactly like what Hitler did to the Jews" "Exactly like" are very strong words. Its true that he didn't extend his falsehood to include the statement that millions of Palestinians have died...but this statement is so patently false, except in the most trivial sense....the sense in which people defending themselves are the moral equivalant of mass murderers. The underlying reality of the Middle East is that the Arabs have been trying to eliminate Israel for over 50 years. They attacked the day Israel formed, with the intent of wiping it off the face of the earth. They put the Palestinians in refugee camps because it was politically expedient to do so. The Palestinian leadership has turned down a reasonable two state solution, thinking that it can achieve a one state solution through terrorist attacks. It is very possible that this technique will work. Equating that to a historical event where a government systematically murdered its own citizens who were trying to be good citizens is both inaccurate and outrageous. That is not merely criticizing Israel, that's telling an outrageous lie. >The > comparison was based on an axis, and suggested that both Isreal and > Nazi Germany in WWII are on the same side of the origin. There is nothing in "exactly alike" that would lead one to believe that. If that were true, than someone who once was a little short with their children would be "exactly like" a parent who tortured their own children, burning, starving, and raping them. Both are on the same side of should do/shouldn't do. They are not exactly alike. > 3) The information you have provided about hitler is a bit > questionable. There is evidence that he was appaled at what was going > on but could not stop it. Cites? > > The human desire to see a situation in black and white, to vilify or > raise as a hero, is an enemy of truth, and a deterant to our species > maturing to the point where we can develop a global society without > such evils as raceism. Denying history has never happened. > 4) The association discussed above in 2 is in no way anti-semetic any > more than it is anti-Germanic. Malicious lies about Jews are anti-Semetic. Dan M. _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
