> > The truth is that sufficient violence ends violence. > > That is true enough. But that only works when you can seal > the outlines of the geographical area and flood the same with > your troops.
It also works if you are violent enough to convince the rest of them they need to knock if off or they're next. Remember, we don't want to occupy and control these countries. And the violence we've already visited on them has made a few of them blink (like Qaddafi Duck). > > I prefer to give them a memory of a mushroom cloud over Medina that > > will make them remember that they shouldn't fuck with the adults. > > If you think that is the how they would react to it, then you > need to take another look at the cultures of the places where > Muslims live in significant numbers. I am looking at their culture. They are and always have presented for the right alpha dog. > > So, let's get serious here: If Islam does another 9/11, the > likelihood > > is genocide. > > Why do you equate OBL and his fanatics with a billion > muslims? And just how are you going to kill a billion > muslims? First, I do equate UBL and a billion Muslims. The majority of Muslims around the world think UBL is a jolly good fellow. We are at war against mainstream Islam, which is a fanatical, racist, violent, neanderthal sad excuse for a religion. The worst of our backwoods Baptist bigots is far more moderate and enlightened with respect to human rights, attitude toward democracy and tolerance of unbelievers than are the majority of mainstream Muslims in your neighborhood. They just don't tell you how much they despise you to your face. They are privately dedicated to the overthrow of democracy, the enslavement of your daughters, and to generally making everybody stop having fun. Nonetheless, I misspoke--I shouldn't have said genocide. The likelihood is vaporization of several of their capital cities. I'd think 5 million dead Muslims is a low estimate of what happens if they throw another punch like that. > Let's imagine that some US president is actually > silly enough to nuke Medina. What do you think would happen? > Do you *really* imagine the rest of the muslims would cower > in their homes, emerging only to lick America's boots? Yeah, pretty much. Especially if make it clear that we'll up the ante even more next time any one of 'em so much as shoots us a dirty look. Look, let's get real here: The difference between us and them is, if they had our capabilities, they'd *right now* nuke us back into the Muslim Age. We, on the other hand, have the capability to kill all billion of them, but we really don't want to. Yet. So why should we be afraid of them? Even if they do get a few nukes, it will be the end of them, not us, if they use them. But we're still afraid because we're not willing to do something really horrendous to them until after they do something horrendous first. We're waiting for the other shoe to drop. It's like being stalked. It makes you really jumpy. And it doesn't take much for sudden violence to happen after you've been jumpy for a while. If Islam (and, yes, I'm saying Islam, not Islamofascists or Islamists or any of the other cute ways that we tolerant Westerners try to make nicey-nice distinctions within their intolerant faith) makes another 9-11 level attack on the United States, my prediction, not my wish, is that the response will be so savage that it will surprise even us. And that will pretty much settle it, unless they're really stupid, in which case, yes, it will be genocide. > They have nukes, y'know, and the national identity of the > country is based on Islam. Would you nuke Pakistan? What > about India? More muslims than Pakistan, after all....Then > China, I guess... Whatever it takes. We didn't ask for this fight, but we can damn well finish it. As for Pakistan's nukes, so what? They only have enough to annoy us (kill millions) and then we'll annihilate them. Given how incompetently Muslim cultures do everything else, I would expect a high percentage of Pakistani duds anyway. Same goes for toys they buy from the Nkoreans. Russian stuff, I'm a little more worried about, but at least it's had a lot of time to rust. And I think we can count on the Chinese and Indian governments to patrol their own backyards. (That brings up another issue--what will we do if they try to detonate a suitcase bomb, and all it does is blow up their mini van? If they try to do something nuclear in an American city, I think that's more likely to be the outcome than the bomb actually working. If Kerry's president, I bet nothing. If Bush is president, I bet he treats it just like it had actually worked. So hold your noses and vote Republican this November!) > Do you think that the rest of the world would sit and > silently watch you bomb one country after another, hoping > that the next mass-murder would finally make you feel safe? Yeah, actually, I do. Like they watched Bosnia. And Iraq. And Africa. And.... If the French or the Germans open their yaps, we can blow up a train station and watch them elect Republicans the next day. > Or do you see the possibility of a world-wide conflagration > increasing? I see the latter - go around bombing enough > countries and you'd push the rest of the world into declaring > war on you too. So much the worse for them. We're not a superpower. We're a hyperpower. The only people with the balls and technology to really challenge us are in our corner. Or pocket. However you want to look at it. > Y'see, a lot of countries in the world suffer > from Islamic terrorism but in each of these countries, only a > small, lunatic fringe calls for genocide. I'm not calling for genocide. I'm predicting it. If they push hard enough. And I'm saying they're underestimating how much of a push it would take for us to go over the edge. That's the biggest danger. That they still think they can poke the bear and climb a tree fast enough. > Actually, what you propose, nuking Medina, is the only way a > billion muslims would march behind Osama. And I'd like to say > that I find your characterisation of an entire people as > 'assholes' offensively ignorant. Then let me say it again: Every Muslim who's a fan of UBL is an asshole. That's about 80% of them worldwide. > It's not just the Americans who are terrible when they are > pissed off, Mike. That holds true for everyone. You might be > able to bully cowards into shouting truce but these cowards > do not form a majority in Muslims. Yes, Islam is a brittle, coward-culture. Lots of bluster and lots of bootlicking after you show 'em who's boss. > You would merely be pushing the rest of the Muslims towards a > rage so deep and visceral that tackling AQ would seem like a > child's play in retrospect. So much the worse for them. Japan doesn't hate our guts 40 years after Hiroshima. Germany doesn't either. Conquered people usually get over it pretty quickly, especially when you introduce freedom to them. Being on the losing side of a war tends to make you think about not picking any more fights. Now that I think about it, Haiti should declare war on the US and lose. That's by far the fastest route available to modernization and economic prosperity. > > Fear, not understanding, is what is needed right now. The > Muslims and > > their fellow travelers are acting like they're still in charge, and > > it's going to get all of them killed. > > Who are the fellow travelers of muslims? And how are they > acting as if they are in charge? Well, you're one of those fellow travelers, and you are acting like they are in charge. You've just spent all this time painting a doomsday scenario about how they will come back and kick all our asses if we really spank them. Nonsense. Western civilization is going to win this one. The only question is how many people will have to die to make it happen. If the cost gets up to more than a million Americans, I predict that it could easily cost half a billion Muslim lives. I'm basing that guess on the kill ratio recently in Iraq, but there are other factors in play. I don't really think it will take killing more than 50 million Muslims to make the rest get the message, but I could be wrong. I hope it doesn't take killing that many. After all, those poor people have been raised in an abusive, stupid culture and it's a tragedy that they believe the crap they do. Because of nice liberal people and nice Spanish people and nice UN people, the Muslim world thinks they have a lot more rope to play with than they actually do. Every peace marcher gives encouragement and hope to those poor dumb bastards, and makes it more likely we're going to have to make more of them die for their religion. Mike Lee Islamic Moderate _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
