Here's a link to that book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393325555/qid=1098040811/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-6659867-3819261?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
(Sorry about the length.)
~Maru
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> From: David Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Brin: Second Salvo
>
> True enough. A better example of their obsession with
> form over substance would be abortion. Abortion RATES
> went down under Clinton and climbed under both Bushes.
> Pragmatically speaking, lessening the number should
> be the goal whether achieved by liberal means or not.
>
> But let's be fair. If infanticide were legal, a ten %
> drop in the rate would not stop you from being boiling
> mad. The real problem isn't pragmatic but
> philosophical. As romantics, each neocon subgroup
> must go for a whole loaf, never part of one.
> Compromise is for enlightenment humanists.
>
> > Also, you *could* recouncile the neo-cons and the>
> Left Behinders> if you push Judgement Day far off
> enough into the> future. After> all, you don't need
> eternity to build a star-going> empire led by>
> philospher-kings, just a large but finite amount of
> > time.
>
> True, but that takes ALL the wind out of the sails of
> the apocalypts. Geez the "Whore of Babylon Five" just
> sounds too sciencefictional to be taken seriously.
> Likewise an antimatter anti Christ." Doesn't satisfy
> as much as"The evil one is already among us."
>
>
>
> Of
> > course, it does seem a little pointless if God is
> > going to come
> > and make everything way better than mere humanity
> > ever could.
> > And also, I notice you reference the excerpt 'The
> > Philospher of
> > Islamic Terror', but not teh Book (Terror and
> > Liberalism). Why's
> > that? The book is well worth reading too.
>
> Got a web site ref? It sounds like a magnificent
> reach and a diatribe.
>
> OH! I am reading COLLAPSE by one of our
> civilization's real genius-treasures, Jared Diamond
> (GUNS, GERMS AND STEEL). It covers what factors
> brought about civ collapse in past societies and what
> factors allowed others to remain flexible enough to
> evade disaster.
>
> By his standards, this would be a positively insane
> administration in any measure. But his book has
> changed my mind. I NO LONGER think that the monsters'
> worst crime is dissipating our armed forces and
> deliberately destroying readiness by miring our best
> troops and using up the reserves.
>
> Worse has been the 20 years of lying and obfuscation
> about climate change. Ten years calling it a hoax.
> Ten years saying it exists but "we need more data"...
> and now "yes, it's big and humans did it, but now it's
> too late to do anything about it."
>
> Read Diamond's book. It says NOTHING about todays'
> politics. It says EVERYTHING about the destruction of
> our resiliency by morons.
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