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From: "JDG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: "God Is With Us" L3


> At 09:44 AM 12/14/2004 -0800 Dave Land wrote:
> >Bill Clinton got a blow job.
>
> Funny how commiting perjury rather than give testimony that is compelled
by
> a law that you signed with your hand managed to slip your mind.

That was a complicated mess.  It's true that the Republicans guessed right,
that Bill wouldn't keep his pants zipped and that his wife didn't know.  He
committed perjury rather than confess to all.  But, it's also true that
they spent tens of millions of dollars on trying to set him up.  Yes, he
gave them the rope to hang him with, but they had a lynch party out.

A much simplier case was the perjury by Bush Sr., which no one worried
about too much.  He even pardoned  folks who's testimony could have been
damaging.

> >George Bush lied to congress and the citizens of the United States to
> >go to war against a country that had never attacked us.
> >
> >This is ridiculous.
>
> Never attacked us?    Tell that George Bush Senior.    Tell that to the
> families of the hundreds of Americans who died in Iraq and Saudi Arabia
> over the previous 12 years.

That doesn't mean that they attacked the United States.  They attacked
Kuwait, and we attacked them in return.  They didn't actually attack Bush
Sr., although it is reasonable to state that they were planning on doing
that.  That would have been an act of war, and Clinton would probably have
had to respond.  But, since it didn't happen, it's hard to say that they
attacked us.

This doesn't mean automatically that the second Gulf war wasn't
justified...just that it wasn't a war on a country that attacked the US.

> JDG - You're not lying when you really believe something to be true,
Maru.....

Unless, of course, you are lying to yourself. They selectively accepted and
rejected reports, based on whether they were consistant with what they knew
a priori.  In many ways, that's the most dangerous form of lying.

Dan M.


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