On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:26:29 -0500, Dan Minette wrote > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 10:01 AM > Subject: Re: Peaceful change L3 > > > On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 07:39:14 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote > > > > > Well, Nick, when you provide _one single example_ of > > > wanting to do something more meaningful than getting > > > an indictment at the World Court(!), which is what > > > your fabled Council of Churches plan adds up to > > > > Harvard takes Jim Wallis seriously. > > In what sense is this true?
He teaches at Harvard, at the Kennedy School of Government. > The bias against war cannot provide a bias in analysis. Facts are, history > was, and people of different faiths who are committed to rigor > should be able to come to an understanding. What do you mean by "should?" Perhaps it will be helpful to acknowledge that I have the advantage of knowing the outcomes of the decision to go to war, while those who insist that this war was the best course of action have the disadvantage of not being able to demonstrate that alternatives would not have worked. Still, I'll take advantage of my advantage and point out that this decision has enmeshed us in a horrible situation, in which the very people we supposedly are liberating are killing our troops and demonstrating against our presence. Those who ambushed our troops in Sadr City a year ago were not Saddam's people, they were not imported terrorists, they were not even Sunnis! They were Shiites, the people we supposedly are helping. About 300,000 of them took to the streets recently to demonstrate against our occupation -- again, not the former oppressors, not a minority, but the majority. To those who demand that I offer something that "works," I offer the same challenge. Show me something in what we have done that *is* working. I'm sure the election will come up... but to say that it has brought democracy to Iraq is one heck of a stretch of reality. If and when *Iraq* holds an election in Iraq, then we could say that democracy is arriving. Nick Nick _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
