----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert J. Chassell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 5:12 PM Subject: Re: meta research
> Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked, > > ... why spend any time at all trying the patch the theory up with > fantastic ideas like inflation and dark matter? > > But that was not the question. The question was more basic. There > were two hypotheses: > > 1. the universe did not begin > > 2. the universe began > > (People observed that the universe existed, at least for themselves.) > As far as I can see, the two hypotheses covered all possibilities. > > The question was which hypothesis is true? Actually, there were steady state universe theories that were very compatable with red shift being due to relative speed. The problem with the steady state universe was, at first, how is matter being created continuously, in violation of all natural laws that we know of? Why don't we see the ramification of this happening? The second is when we heard the echos of the big bang, right at the energy it was supposed to be at. As you see, the website doesn't attempt to discuss this. > Other questions, like how to explain the rotation of galaxies came > after deciding which of the two hypotheses is more likely. As this website points out http://www.astro.queensu.ca/~dursi/dm-tutorial/dm2.html the calculation that leads to the existance of dark matter is, in essence, just Kepler's law. That's really old. :-) It is not dependant on whether one accepts the big bang or steady state universe. > Help in judging which of the two hypotheses is more likely came from > several sources, one of which was observations which can most readily > be understood as the echo of a beginning. (The results of the > observations were predicted more than a decade ahead of time by Gamow, > I seem to remember, although his predictions were ignored until > re-predicted at the same time as the actual observations.) > Please tell me of other hypotheses besides `no-beginning' and `a > beginning'. Expanding, not expanding are two. Cyclic states, vs. one big bang. Single universe vs. muliverse. That should do off the top of my head. Dan M. _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
