> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Ritu
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 3:37 AM
> To: 'Killer Bs Discussion'
> Subject: RE: Iraq Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"
> 
> JDG wrote:
> 
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Ritu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Similarly, I find the notion of bombing a people into democracy and
> > > gratitude stupid. And I really honestly do not believe that Bush's
> > > failure of imagination and my recognition of the same makes me
> > > responsible for Saddam's crimes, or the hypothetical continuation
> > > thereof.
> >
> >
> > And I find the notion of winning gratitude while standing
> > idly by as a megalamoniac dictator terrorizes the population,
> > starts futile wars with his neighbors, and leaves his country
> > impoversihed while completely enriching himself to be even stupider.
> >
> > See, I can mock your position as easily as you can mock mine....
> 
> *g*
> 
> Would have worked better had that really been my position. :) But I
> don't think I've ever said anything that can be construed to mean that
> one can stand by idly while others are being tortured/killed and earn
> gratitude that way. So hold on to these lines and trot them out when I
> do make such a silly proposition. :)

But, JDG never said anything that can reasonably be construed to match your
characterization given above.  So, I think a reasonable reading of this was
that both of you can make quick, easy, cartoons of the more complex, nuanced
position of the other, but why bother.

My understanding of your position was that there were some things that had
some reasonable chance to result in regime change that should have been
tried before war.  I've been racking my brain, thinking of what has been
proposed, and cannot come up with anything that was proposed pre-war that
was either innovative or had a reasonable basis for plausibility.  

I'm kinda curious, what were these other possibilities?

Dan M.


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