*** Heroes - with spoilers ***

Robert Seeberger wrote:
>
>>> More detail. I pretty much knew all these spoilers before I saw the
>>> episodes and/or figured the course of things out beforehand.
>>
>> It was a surprise to see George Takei as Hiro's father... Even
>> though it seems he's a minor character.
> 
> I believe he or his character is coming back next season. Perhaps 
> not so minor in the overall mythos.
>
Will there be a next season? I thought the 1st was all that was
there to watch.
 
>
>> And reading things in the Internet is a _very_ bad idea if you
>> want to watch a show. I was looking for data on episodes I had
>> missed, and I learned that the cheerleader was the daughter
>> of the flying man - information that comes from Ep 13!
> 
> Spoilers don't bother me too much. I'm usually thinking about how 
> Hiro's power works and the implications. When I watch an episode 
> where I know some of what is to come, I am looking for clues to what 
> will come beyond what I am seeing now. Kring and co have given us a 
> very fun game in this.
>
Kring?
 
> Now when Nathan was revealed to be Claires bio-father I was pissed. 
> It seemed to me to be a pointless, soap-operaish plot point. 
>
It would be a cliché if _Sylar_ was Claire's bio-father :-)

> But 
> there was some redemption in later drama that stemmed from the 
> revelation that *did* expand and advance the story. I just dislike 
> the idea that everyone is related to everyone else in some kind of 
> shipper fantasy.
> 
Maybe this could be a "logical" explanation for the superpowers.
All of them are children or grand-children of Hiro, who
travelled back in time and fathered the first generation of
supermen. Hiro would be his own grand-father, like Futurama's Fry.

>
>> Of course my two favourite characters are Hiro Nakamura
>> and the cheerleader.
>
> Same here. I think the best thing about the show is the expansive 
> cast. East Asians, South Asians, Carribeans....the show is more like 
> the world than any other fiction on American television. Next year 
> they will have Hispanics!<G>
> 
I like the japanese speaking Japanese, instead of japanese speaking
English with a japanese accent when they are supposed to be speaking
Japanese.

In this we should praise Mel Gibson: 5 years ago, nobody would
dare to put any other language, but after the success of 
The Passion of the Christ, we have to see people speaking their
own languages.

>
>> Tom Orley's "powers" are nowhere near the demigods of Heroes.
> 
> Bah!
> Most of the powers are not all that special and would not allow any 
> individual to dominate large numbers of people.
>
Hiro: can go back in time and kill your grandfather. He is by
far the most powerful of all

Cheerleader: no big deal, even to defend herself her power is useless
(Sylar would have killed her anyway)

Nathan the flying man: no big deal, great for escaping

Haitian: this is a *huge* power. He could dominate anyone, just by 
turning them into mindless drones

The one with the persuasion power: another *huge* power. It was
stupid to let herself be killed by Sylar

Peter: alone, he is useless. But if he can recolled the other people's
powers, he is invincible

and so on. Half of them _could_ dominate a large number of people.

> While the "Heroes" 
> are a bit flashy, the majority of them are not much different than 
> Orley. Outside of Peter and Sylar, Orley could likey whoop most of 
> them. 
>
No, he couldn't. He wouldn't even get close to most of them.

> Orley is definately smarter than any of them. I believe Orleys 
> intelligence accounts for a great deal.
>
Bah. In a world with superheroes, Orley would be the _villain_ :-P

> I would also note that HRG 
> (Noah Bennet) has no powers but has been on top of the empowered 
> individuals almost all the series.
> 
Yes, and it makes no sense that Sylar didn't kill him (ok, Sylar
was mad, he only killed supermen, but then why he would kill
Noah's wife?)

>> Zane? I don't remember this name (BTW, I can hardly remeber the 
>> names of them all - better be Hiro-like and call them
>> by the superpowers).
> 
> Zane could make metals turn into a liquid form without using heat.
> 
This is a huge destructive power!

Alberto Monteiro

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