> Ah. But this language itself is so emotionally loaded that
> it does  
> nothing but contribute to the polarization. ("Sure,
> everyone's pissed,  
> but the left is pissed for more moral reasons!") The
> sad truth is that  
> the left isn't all that different from the right, not
> as long as big  
> money continues to control the discourse in DC.

the left at least, champions the middle class, even though it fosters 
dependency with entitlements, subsidies, and is somewhat a pawn of unions, etc. 
 better that than the corporate crooks that own the republican party.  perhaps 
that will change now that the GOP is self destructing as you say...

> Political winds shift, but the lobbyists just change
> parties to give  
> their attention to. Little else becomes different. You
> might not have  
> been around to sniff the social winds in the US in 1980,
> but I was,  
> and let me tell you that the Dems were quite thoroughly
> corrupted by  
> power and money back then; one of the reasons Reagan won
> was because  
> of the national trend against abuse of power by Democrats.

not only was i around in the 80s but i'm a child of the 60s, so if winds do 
shift, the left has never moved that far right of center.  before reagan, even 
the the goldwater republicans weren't so bad...   the democrats have never 
abused power like the nixon/reagan/bush administrations.  in america the left 
is not really that far to the left, compared to europe, where socialism is not 
a dirty word.  

> And, FWIW, McCain *was* quite charismatic in 2000. He
> actually stood a  
> good chance against W until he was torpedoed by extremists
> in the  
> Republican party itself -- the same PAC that formed
> "Swift Boat  
> Veterans for Truth" to attack Kerry in 2004.
> To me it seems that there's no real reason, if
> you're so motivated, to  
> continue attacking the GOP. It's in the middle of its
> own self- 
> destruction. A better approach might be to talk to the
> moderates, the  
> centrist Republicans, who are very much like centrist Dems
> such as  
> Obama, and are quite as horrified by Palin as many others
> are, and  
> start trying to heal some breaches rather than continuing
> to hammer at  
> the idea of "them" (whoever they are) being
> "wrong" (whatever that  means).
> Maybe together we can all rediscover what it means for the
> GOP to be  the party of Lincoln.
> Warren Ockrassa


it may even happen under obama, with all this talk of bipartisanship, but only 
because we are in desperate straits...
jon


      
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