As I feel there were more issues than just the lack of toilet facilities on Friday night that Alex refers to below i have listed a couple of additional problems here some of which have already been mentioned. I am not looking to complain or seeking a responce, I just want to raise awareness of the issues so that they hopefully can be taken into consideration and avoided at future tours / tournaments. Firstly however i would like to agree with Alex that Eastbourne is an excellent venue and that the tournament was overall run very well and that the problems listed below did not stop me enjoying the weekend as a whole. Issue 1: Pitches 16-20 These pitches were fine playing wise and although a good 5-10 minute walk from the main venue this was quite acceptable. However for teams starting on these pitches at 9am on Saturday to only learn of their location and the time it would take to get to them at the captains meeting which started at 8.30am leaves them very little time to get there get there, booted and warmed up in time for there first game. Also because of the breakdown of the water vehicle no water was provided for these pitches for the last game on Sunday, that's 5 pitches, 10 teams with out water. Were teams expected to send someone on the 20+ minute round trip to fill them up. I realise the organisers had to change their plans due to the breakdown of the vehicle but surely the pitches furthest away should then become the priority as water containers on pitches nearer the water supply can be easily be refilled by players from teams using them. Issue 2: Pitch 15 How wide was pitch 15? If the venue (good as it is) can't cope with that many pitches then please can tournament organisers start rejecting teams if too many apply, not try to squeeze pitches in spaces that aren't really there. A close inspection of the area before the event should surely have told the tournament organiser's that although the area looks big enough there isn't really the room to put the pitch, due to obsitcles not so obvious when looking at the area further away. Finally, B-tour Crossovers on Saturday. Although I wasn't at it i have been told that very little was said about the schedule and rules at the captains meeting, and particularly the need for crossovers for the losers of each group in the B-tour. Although the online schedule has these marked in the colours of the B-tour they were not marked as such on the schedule handed out, where they were just ranking positions. (alright neither the women's or tour A had more than 16 teams but team likely to be in these positions are the newer ones to ultimate and therefore less familiar with the scheduling system.) Unfortunately i believe that the lack of clarity did lead to a couple of teams not turning up or turning up very late to their last game on the Saturday as they didn't realise they had another game to play. Thanks Tony Sheffield Steal Alexander Minshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Felix has made a valid point, but he has forgot to mention that there were a couple of globs of white marks on the pitch lines that entered the regular playing area of the pitches by as much as half an inch! I was involved in several disputes about being out-of-bounds when someone stepped on these bits of 'line'.
Also, putting on breakfast for the everyone was all well and good - but I for one do not like the pips in my tomoatos (I am sure I am not alone) - why can't someone arrange for half of the tomato pips to be taken out??!! Oh, and another thing. There was a bit of rain on saturday night when most people were still at the party. Please can it be better organised so that any rain falls between 2am and 7am - when the majority of people have retired to their tents. People are of course entitled to voice their opinions, but I also am amazed at the amount of criticism going around about Eastbourne - which is without question the best tournament venue for facilities and the most professionally run event. The only point that appears like it might warrant looking into is the lack of toilet facilities on friday. On-site camping - decent showers - informative tannoy announcements - breakfast - on-site party - good water replacements (even with the breakdown of the vehicle). Well done Nolan et al for once again showing how a tournament can and should be run. Alex The Prince Of Leisure EMO #34 >From: Felix >To: Britdisc >Subject: Re: [BD] RE: Tour 2 >Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:26:05 +0100 > >The long bits of grass caused a few short debates during the weekend, >can an organising committee volunteer please crawl around the 20 >pitches with a pair of nail scissors on the Saturday morning before >games start in future please. > >Thanks Nolan and co for a near perfectly run, massive tournament at an >excellent venue with great facilities and awesome people. I cannot >believe how ready everybody is to publicly criticise the slightest >thing they feel was wrong about any huge tournament these days. > >Congratulations to Clapham for pulling it out in sudden death against >Brighton on Saturday and then going on to win. > >Felix > >ps. publicly bigging your own team up unneccesarily is fine though of >course, lets see more of that > > >On 31/07/06, Simon Statham wrote: >>It's not just because you weren't good enough then? >> >> You weren't 'stitched up'. If you had been good enough to get into the >>top 8 then you would have beaten at least one of these teams, I didn't see >>either of them cruise through all the other teams there. I don't think >>(correct me if I'm wrong) that either of them even got to the final - so >>you weren't good enough, get over it. >> >> Go back, practice harder, get better and then you'll be fine... >> >>Dan Berry wrote: >> Can we not have a really really talented bunch of Ultimate Wizards from >>Switzerland in our group next time as well please? >> >>I'm talking about the B tour. >> >>Having worked really hard to prepare for this tour, the Lucky Huckers >>got a bit stitched up (again) by finding themselves in a group with >>Seamus Murphy (8th seeds) and Wizards (23rd seed). A veritable group of >>death. Wizards were clearly a bit useful and it soon transpired that >>ourselves and Murphy would have to battle it out for 2nd spot and the >>chance for a crossover into the top 8. >> >>Murphy themselves mentioned after our game that it seemed a bit unfair >>that one team would end up missing out because a team clearly not ranked >>correctly attended as a guest team. They were just slotted in at 23rd >>when they were an experienced and capable outfit and so the seedings >>were laughable. It meant one team would always get shafted. Not >>particularly through a team improving lots since the last tout but just >>from obvious bad planning. >> >>I imagine this is a difficult problem to overcome if a team only enters >>one tour a year etc but did Wizards attend because this tour was coupled >>with Brit Open? I'm new to all this so I don't understand how it works >>but why invite international teams to a tour event that (I thought) was >>designed to rank GB (and Ireland) teams before nationals. Correct me if >>I'm wrong. I don't really know. Why not then invite international teams >>to a separate event to play the best of British (and Irish!) after? Why >>invite them in the middle? >> >>Just seems stupid to me. Wizards were really cool to play against and >>it's great to get international teams involved but is this the right >>place to do it? You stitch up any team that gets them in their group. >>Our weekend was over by Saturday evening really. Ok, so we're only B >>tour, who cares etc etc but we still went with aims of working our way >>towards A tour. Yeah we enjoyed the party and our games on Sunday, they >>were great, but when you set yourselves a goal and it gets taken away >>from you in this way it kind of takes the motivation out of everyone. So >>we just got absolutely bulldozered at the party and wondered who picked >>techno/gabba as party music. ;) >> >>Apart from that it was cool. Special mention to Scnell Ja (sp?) who >>stuck it to us hard Sunday morning. Fair play. >> >>See you all at Cardiff. >> >>Berry78. >> >>Lucky Huckers. >> >>(My views only but the rest of the team can't read so they will never >>know if I said something wrong anyway.) >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>On Behalf Of McLoughlin, Matthew J >>Sent: 31 July 2006 14:32 >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: [BD] RE: Tour 2 >> >>Dear Tour 2 organisers >> >>Apologies if I am being dumb but would it be possible for you to explain >>why >>no facilities for people camping on the Friday night were provided? >>After >>walking around the site about 11pm to find a toilet block with others we >>had >>to resort to walking to a local pub which was not be ideal for single >>females to be doing late night on there own - which they were forced to >>do. >>I did check with others at the site in case I had missed them however >>they >>didn't know where they were either! >> >>Also there was the small issue of dog foul on our first pitch on the >>Saturday. It was the second game on the pitch so obviously the first >>game >>somehow managed to avoid it however I would of hoped each pitch would of >>been checked and cleared by the organising committee - especially as it >>is >>specifically mentioned in the UKU pdf on "How to Run a UKU Tour v5". >> >>I've never seen this problem before at a tour and was disappointed to >>see it >>at this one. >> >>I appreciate the work that goes into running tours and commend every >>single >>person involved in running them and dedicating their time to allow these >>events to go ahead however I feel these two are quite basic issues which >>should and could be easily avoided. >> >>Matt >> >>__________________________________________________ >>BritDisc mailing list >>[email protected] >>http://mailman.ranulf.net/mailman/listinfo/britdisc >>Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp >> >>__________________________________________________ >>BritDisc mailing list >>[email protected] >>http://mailman.ranulf.net/mailman/listinfo/britdisc >>Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >> All new Yahoo! 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