Hi Mark is quite right about the sacrifice is worth making here for many clubs. The point really is that you can not please everyone. When it comes to BUSA it’s a very good lesson for the rest of the Ultimate community to learn from. If recognition is all we strive for we will have to give up something. However there must be a point to balance from.
There was a very similar kind of argument when the students segregated them selves form the school/college players that had in the past been allowed to play in their competitions. Time change and weather it is good or bad things move on. I think you have to give a change like this a few years to see how it actually affects things. That’s hard for students I know because it the whole of your student career possible dedicated to something that might be the wrong way to go. Sam's underlying point sounds more like there needs to be a better all round support. This falls into line with the kind of Ultimate For All approach that is attempted to be raised in the open (non-university may be a better phrase) ranks with the starting of the Regional Leader League structure. It is always worth asking is there something that could be done better here? For more stuff on this and if you really want to step up to do something about it you could check out the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see what comes out of that melting pot. Phil Richardson “Scraggy” [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.scraggy.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.discophilia.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Womersley Sent: 25 November 2006 22:20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] Subject: [BD] Re: [uniultimate] Uni student eligability It's a bit of toss up between some people losing out and the sport moving forward in terms of recognition. At Haze we lost three of our most experienced players because of the new BUSA regs which may have cost us a Nationals spot but if we don't fall in-line with these regulations then we cannot be a BUSA sport it is that simple. I think BUSA recognition is a good thing, it has certainly meant more funding for my club. People from other institutions can't play in other sports I'm not sure why Ultimate need be any different. As yet I am unclear if the BUSA regulations have become standard for Uni Ultimate and as such exclude players from events like Uni mixed which don't carry BUSA points. If the old regulations still apply for these tournaments then there is still plenty of opportunity for (BUSA) ineligible players to play some ultimate. BUSA points are only awarded for Indoor and Outdoor Nationals I believe so that's only 4 tournaments a year. Womo Haze #26 My views not the clubs etc. etc. Samuel Hird wrote: > > Hey everyone! > > I just read the eligibility rules for Div 1 today. I was seriously > disappointed to read that players from neighboring institutions would > no longer be eligible to compete in the now BUSA affiliated > tournaments. Correct me if I?m wrong, but I never heard the slightest > mention of the exclusion of players during the discussions about > joining BUSA. Will the same rules apply to regionals next year? How > about outdoors? Why haven?t we been told? > > In the previous rules, players were eligible from the nearest > institutions provided they could demonstrate suitable links and > submitted an application to the uni/regional co-ordinator. These rules > are great and necessary for new teams, especially the smaller > institutions that they relate to, in order for them to get their feet > off the ground. Even established university clubs can have bad years > and I know many London clubs that have temporarily joined together in > hard times. Within the last 2 years UCL and LSE had to join together > temporarily and now separately they?re doing fantastically. I?ve never > heard of a whole team not entering a tournament to play under the > umbrella of another team and do well. And with more and more > institutions having their own teams, I cant see it happening. > > This is probably something that doesn?t affect most of the bigger, > campus universities, but is this something that we really want for the > sport? So many of us spend so much of our time promoting the sport to > just about everyone, from our university unions to a wave of recent TV > appearances, particularly by open teams. Preventing university students > from playing university tournaments restricts the sport at a grass > roots level, where many many players enter the sport. Can the exclusion > of student players really be a step forward? There are so many > institutions, especially in London, with its lack of affordable > facilities, that are too small to be able to field their own ultimate > team now, and probably for the foreseeable future with many keen > players that are going to seriously lose out, which can only be bad for > the sport. > > I?m obviously against the move and would hate to see it continue if the > majority of others feel the same. 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