oooh! nice bit of clapham-hating there Dave. I'd given up watching the game myself thinking fire had it in the bag, and was sheltering in the clubhouse with the rest of my team when the video was taken. I venture that you must have been hearing voices in your head casting aspersions about fire's spirit and your ancestry, though it's a shame I missed such a great opportunity to heckle.
clapham's 'world wide notoriety' must also be working in our favour, since we won spirit and EUCC 2005 and have been invited to attend top US tournaments including ECC since. alex -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David OBrien Sent: 04 July 2007 11:38 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BD] COTD: Fusion v Fire - Strip or D? A couple of points further to Lewis' clarifications: - Contact with the receiver's hand was never disputed - only whether it was actually a strip or not was initially discussed. So play was going to resume from the goal line as an uncontested foul, before the discussion about the disputed possession took over. - the thrower self-checked the disc before throwing the huck, thus acknowledging that a stoppage had occurred (there would be no need to self-check otherwise). The problem is that as per rule 11.6, below, you cannot self check until the D is ready. Fusion clearly got an unfair advantage by the D not being ready, and by not waiting until everyone returned to their positions as per 11.2 and so it was absolutely correct that the disc went back to the thrower. - what was most disappointing was the number of Clapham players on the sideline, including would-be GB captains, who (although clearly not in full comprehension of the rules) were so keen to get actively involved in the discussion. and worse still was the fact that they were clearly heard to cast aspersions about Fire's spirit in general. ironic not only because of their flawed assessment of the situation, but more so because their call-fests with Skogs over several years have earned them world-wide notoriety. 11.1. Whenever play stops during a point for a time-out, foul, disputed possession, violation, safety stoppage or injury stoppage, play is restarted with a Check. 11.2. All players should return to the positions they held when the event that caused the stoppage occurred, and remain there until play is restarted, except in the case of a time-out. 11.6. If the nearest defender is not within reach of the thrower, the thrower shall, with permission of the closest defender, restart play by touching the disc to the ground and calling "Disc In". ****************** >In fact the disc went back because there was a violation (11.2) on the huck (which Fusion very spiritedly accepted after some discussion off camera)... The violation happened because Danny checked the disc without players being in there original positions (Lars and Keith discussed a potential foul (11.1 disputed possession requires a check) and the video shows they are clearly miles away from where they should be). Original positions did affect play because Keith and Lars were in the lane close to the disc affecting Danny's huck. So Sam and Dave's discussion on the catch was actually totally immaterial. Though it looks to me it was a strip / foul to me but thigs are easy in slo-mo ;) Congrats to Fusion for the win and the spirit they showed and well done to Clapham in the final. See you in two weeks for another battle, Cheers Lewis PS I agree the disc doesn't lie....but unfortunately this clip can not be used as evidence :P --------------------------------- Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on all webmail accounts. Find out more. __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed The contents of this message and any attachments to it are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you have received this message in error you should delete it from your system immediately and advise the sender. dunnhumby may monitor and record all emails. The views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not dunnhumby. __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
