Not sure you've got that right, Felix... It defines a 'strip foul' and
then refers to '/such/ a foul' (i.e. still talking about a strip foul,
not just any ordinary foul).
A strip is a /type /of foul under the new rules. If you knock a disc
away from someone who has demonstrated sustained control of a
non-spinning disc, that /is/ a strip.
Only strips result in a point being awarded.
Unless I'm reading the rules incorrectly myself...
Anyway, while we're on the subject of rules, I had a few discussions at
Tour 1 because I called 'fast count' on everyone who started a stall
count with 'Stalling-one' in a great big rush. The rules make it clear
that there's a one second gap between the start of the word 'stalling'
and the start of the word 'one'.
To define the the start and end of a ten second period, and the
intervals between, you have to say ELEVEN things. Think about it...
'Stalling' is equivalent to saying 'Zero'.
I find more and more these days that people's stall counts are as fast
as they can get away with. It's obviously good and fair that the gaps
should be exactly one second rather than the slow counts that were
prevalent when I started playing. But if the seconds are exactly on the
money, I'm damned well claiming 10 of them, and not 9.
Can anyone explain to me an interpretation of the rules in which
Stallingone isn't a fast count?
Yours grumpy-old-mannishly,
Benji
Felix wrote:
Interestingly if you look closely you can see it's ex-Fusion Tom
Quilter that seems to call it a turnover and sparks the anger from Sam
Lord (who wisely chooses to turn his back after a few seconds), and
then none other than ex Ro Sham Bo teammate Danny Hoyle jogging over
to pursuade TQ not to get involved again. The pair led Ro Sham to
their Uni Nationals victories in 2006.
At the moment I'm editting together one of the 'callfest' Clapham vs
Skogs games - the final of EUCF2006 - and none of the calls strike me
as badly spirited. In fact, when a bad call is made due to
misjudgement of player positioning, Rob Alpen steps in to pursuade his
teammate to retract the call (this is when Clapham aren't the the
dominant team and are in fact a couple of points down). This is
something I rarely see teams at the top do & wish I saw a lot more of
- if you believe a player has misjudged the situation and is making an
incorrect call/contest, as a player on the pitch you should let your
opinion heard, regardless of whether it's supporting your players'
position or not. There's an 'all for one' ethic in some teams when it
comes to calls, which would be better ditched for just trying to find
the correct outcome.
Personally I think (with a few exceptions) the spirit level in general
drops the lower down the seedings you go, as the average players
become less knowledgable of the rules, and the more dominant players
become more likely to exploit this fact for their own benefit. Sad
but true.
Felix
ps. if, for arguments sake, the premature-check violation hadn't
occured, then IF Sam had control of the disc before the foul it
would've been a score:
"16.5.4. A defensive foul that causes the receiver or thrower to drop
the disc after they have gained possession is a "Strip" foul.
16.5.4.1. If such a foul occurs and the reception would have otherwise
been a goal,
and the foul is uncontested, a goal is awarded."
So fouls - not just strips - in the endzone can result in goals, but
only if the receiver has "sustained contact with, and control of, a
non-spinning disc."
Oh and check this out (in the Definitions):
"A disc in the possession of a player is considered part of that
player." - so smacking a hand in control of the disc (as it could be
argued Sam's was) & causing it to drop is the same as smacking the
disc directly.
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