I think the governing rule here is that the player has to be coming to a stop as quickly as possible and without changing direction. If they are doing that and throw within three steps, then it's fine. However, if the receiver takes a step, jumps and passes while in the air, they are clearly not coming to a stop as quickly as possible and so it's a travel.
The problem comes with determining when a player is 'cruising' to a stop. If your mind is on the throw, you often stop trying to slow as quickly as possible (especially if you are in a home boy and trying to make the next cut), so then while the throw may be within three ground contacts, it is still a travel. The pivot point isn't established until the thrower comes to a complete stop, but they may still pass whilst slowing (as long as it's within the first two steps after catching). On the flip side, it's interesting to note that a stall count can't start until the player has come to a stop, thereby establising a pivot point. Rules: 17.2.1. A Travel violation occurs if: .... 17.2.1.3. a receiver does not come to a stop as quickly as possible or changes direction after catching the disc; --------------------- 17.3.1.4. "Fast Count" the marker: ... 17.3.1.4.3. starts the stall count before the Offensive player establishes both possession of the disc and a pivot point, Nick Boogie Knights ----- Original Message ---- From: "Stewart, Daniel (GE Money)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: BritDisc <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 21 August, 2007 3:59:37 PM Subject: [BD] Travelling rule clarification I got a call at the weekend from a very experienced (read: old) player which, at the time, seemed absurd, but I can't find anything in the '07 rules that says otherwise. The call was along the lines of "you don't need to have to established a pivot point within your first 3 ground contacts in order to pass the disc". That is to say, you can throw with both feet OFF the ground, if you're within your first 3 steps. This went against my understanding of the rules, and I imagine most players would call such a move as a travel. The rules don't seem to explicitly state this as a violation: 17.2.1. A Travel violation occurs if: 17.2.1.2. the thrower fails to keep in contact with the pivot point once established; 17.2.1.4. a receiver releases a pass during or after the third ground contact and before coming to a complete stop (any ground contact during the catch is the first ground contact); Any thoughts? Cheers, Dan LLL __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
