[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the governing rule here is that the player has to be coming to a stop as quickly as possible.
Totally disagree. If you make a pass within 3 ground contacts its fine.
Calling travel on someone for not slowing down in their 2 steps is
ridiculous. 3 ground contacts = 2 steps and that's not a lot, you can't
possibly judge someone's slowing down in that time accurately. Almost
everyone will slow down anyway, because the action of catching requires
you to slow down.
Since we're having a long debate about Spirit here's what I think is the
main point that seems to get forgotten.
1.2 "It is trusted that no player will intentionally violate the rules;
thus there are no harsh penalties for infractions, but rather a method
for resuming play in a manner which simulates what would most likely
have occured had there been no infraction".
This was explained to me as a beginner in the following sentence "the
rules are only there to ensure that what would have happened happens".
All rules should therefore be subject to this general understanding. In
other words if a turnover happens and something else happened that
didn't affect play then it should be a turnover etc. My only problem
with Spirit in this country is with those players who try to analyse the
rules to the nth degree and interpret them as if the syntax of the rule
itself is the most important thing - it isn't, the rules are there to
guide us, not control us. Every time the rules are clarified there will
always be ambiguity, stop trying to exploit it! Truth is its a pretty
simple sport really, and we should be trying to play to the Spirit of
the rules rather than the letter.
I do however think there should also be an extra clarification that says
you are allowed to punch anyone who says "but I didn't mean it" as a
defence against something being a foul. None of us mean fouls, not even
"Horsing" TQ ;-)
As an extra aside, I'm surprised the Spirit scoring system is causing a
huge debate. Spirit in this country seems pretty good to me (though
perhaps I'm just a "little Englander") and while getting the Spirit
scoring system to be simpler to fill in would be great, its hardly a big
deal is it? Winning Spirit is great, but it should just be an extra
bonus. Besides, if you really want it then you have to drive further to
tournaments ;-)
Dave.
Chevron.
T3 Spirit winners.
and without changing direction. If they are doing that and throw within three steps, then it's fine. However, if the receiver takes a step, jumps and passes while in the air, they are clearly not coming to a stop as quickly as possible and so it's a travel.
The problem comes with determining when a player is 'cruising' to a stop. If
your mind is on the throw, you often stop trying to slow as quickly as possible
(especially if you are in a home boy and trying to make the next cut), so then
while the throw may be within three ground contacts, it is still a travel.
The pivot point isn't established until the thrower comes to a complete
stop, but they may still pass whilst slowing (as long as it's within
the first two steps after catching). On the flip side, it's interesting to note
that a stall count can't start until the player has come to a stop, thereby
establising a pivot point.
Rules:
17.2.1. A Travel violation occurs if:
....
17.2.1.3. a receiver does not come to a stop as quickly as
possible or changes direction after catching the disc;
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17.3.1.4. "Fast Count" – the marker:
...
17.3.1.4.3. starts the stall count before the Offensive
player establishes both possession of the disc and a pivot
point,
Nick
Boogie Knights
----- Original Message ----
From: "Stewart, Daniel (GE Money)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: BritDisc <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, 21 August, 2007 3:59:37 PM
Subject: [BD] Travelling rule clarification
I got a call at the weekend from a very experienced (read: old) player which, at the
time, seemed absurd, but I can't find anything in the '07 rules that says otherwise. The
call was along the lines of "you don't need to have to established a pivot point
within your first 3 ground contacts in order to pass the disc". That is to say, you
can throw with both feet OFF the ground, if you're within your first 3 steps.
This went against my understanding of the rules, and I imagine most players
would call such a move as a travel. The rules don't seem to explicitly state
this as a violation:
17.2.1. A Travel violation occurs if:
17.2.1.2. the thrower fails to keep in contact with the pivot
point once established;
17.2.1.4. a receiver releases a pass during or after the third
ground contact and before coming to a complete stop (any ground
contact during the catch is the first ground contact);
Any thoughts?
Cheers,
Dan
LLL
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