I don't think we are talking just about a Junior competition here....I think we are talking about players that are still in education that are good enough to play high level competitions.
Lewis -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Holden Sent: 11 March 2009 23:57 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BD] BritDisc Digest, Vol 66, Issue 8 A couple of observations, not counter arguments, just observations: This tournament does not have a Junior division. The Junior tournament(s) is/are being held separately, hopefully at a more suitable time for Juniors. The finals will be held over the weekend so there seems less of an issue for bringing junior spectators. There are a number of financial issues with holding a tournament within the school holidays. Flights and accommodation are both more expensive, often significantly so. I don't know if either of these has had a bearing on recent scheduling but I can see that they might have done and the second will always, I would suggest, be a significant issue. Regards, Paul Holden mailto: [email protected] Iain wrote: > I think whilst, not a very constructive reply, it does highlight a few > points ;-) and think this may well be worth a britdisc discussion. > > 1. Historically these tournaments used to fall during school holidays. > For some reason this pattern has changed over the past few years with > more and more of the key tournaments falling inside term time. Has > this process been a conscious decision to move things later in the > year or a mere accident? > > 2. There are a large number of teachers in the Ultimate community, it > seems there is a link between those who play frisbee and are drawn to > teaching. It may be the relaxed lifestyle and holidays to suit your > ultimate needs or it may be that the link is quite accidental. > Selfishly, as a teacher, I would like tournaments to fall in times > when holidays are possible, but understand my career path has certain > positives and negatives. My school is fairly understanding but I > haven't really pushed them too far yet. But... > > 3. ...the future of Ultimate is moving in a younger direction. > University Ultimate has developed into a for BUCS event and the focus > is being moved onto a younger generation. Having tournaments like this > during term time makes it harder for school children to attend, not > only do they have to miss school but the main contact (i.e. the > teacher, for parents etc.) is tied up at work as well. > > 4. ...university students would also find it easier to attend these > tournaments if they did not fall in term time. I know i never missed a > tournament because of "university commitments" but some will be more > conscientious than I was. > > 2009/3/11 Andrew allen <[email protected]>: >> Find another career? >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm sure you knew when applyed to become a teacher that you would not be able to take holiday during term time! >> >>> From: [email protected] >>> Subject: BritDisc Digest, Vol 66, Issue 8 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:00:04 +0000 >>> >>> Send BritDisc mailing list submissions to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> [email protected] >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of BritDisc digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Official announcemnt of EFDF Calender 2009 - XEUCF 2009 >>> -London - Sept. 24-27 (peter robert wright) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:11:21 +0000 >>> From: peter robert wright <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [BD] Official announcemnt of EFDF Calender 2009 - XEUCF 2009 >>> -London - Sept. 24-27 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Message-ID: >>> <[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> "XEUCF...is a 4 days (Thursday to Sunday) tournament, which will be played >>> from Sept. 24th to 27th 2009 in London (closed to Heathrow Airport)." >>> >>> I know this is a very late reaction to this email.....!, >>> >>> but is there no way that they can make these events at the end of a half >>> term, so that students/juniors (who are increasingly playing for top-flight >>> teams) and teachers can attend them. >>> >>> I am sure that my employers are getting fed up of me asking for time off, >>> and I am tiring of asking. With 4 teachers likely to make fire's squad for >>> that event, it will have a significant impact. >>> >>> Is this taken into consideration? Are the holiday dates different throughout >>> europe (is that why this date has been chosen?). Is it because there were no >>> more bids? Is it too late to change it? >>> >>> Rodders (teacher) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2008/12/23 Wayne Retter (aka Wrecker) <[email protected]> >>> >>>> from EuroDisc... >>>> --- >>>> Wayne 'Wrecker' Retter >>>> wayne[dot]wrecker[at]ntlworld[dot]com >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Furlan, Andrea >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Cc: EFDF Board ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:57 AM >>>> Subject: [ED] Official announcemnt of EFDF Calender 2009 - XEUCF 2009 >>>> -London - Sept. 24-27 >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear European Ultimate Community, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Finally we can publish the EFDF Calendar 2009! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In 2009 a new tournament format, called XEUCF will be played instead of >>>> separate EUCC and EUCS. >>>> >>>> The XEUCF combines in one tournament the benefits of the EUCC and the EUCS: >>>> >>>> a.. All medals will be assigned in one tournament, without risking to have >>>> 2 EFDF tournaments potentially competing for being the most important >>>> tournament in 2009 >>>> b.. Costs will be reduced for most players, who planned to attend both >>>> separate EUCC and EUCS >>>> c.. There will be many more inter-regional matches as in EUCC >>>> d.. The season will be stretched till end of September in almost all >>>> nations, giving a reason to many teams to keep on train intensively also >>>> during the summer as in the EUCS. >>>> e.. Team rosters will be defined early in the season using the EUCS >>>> eligibility rules. >>>> f.. Seeding will be mostly based on results of 2009 EFDF competitions and >>>> not on those from the previous year. >>>> >>>> >>>> This tournament format is possible only because some organizers were able >>>> to run a tournament of EUCC size also in fall, which was not clear when EFDF >>>> asked for separate bids for EUCC and EUCF in 2009. Unfortunately the initial >>>> winner of the XEUCF bid had to face major problems, which finally made him >>>> withdraw the bid, forcing EFDF to go for "plan B", which turned out to be as >>>> good as the original winning bid! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What is the XEUCF? >>>> >>>> XEUCF means eXtended European Ultimate Championship Final and it will be >>>> played as pilot in 2009. >>>> >>>> This is a 4 days (Thursday to Sunday) tournament, which will be played from >>>> Sept. 24th to 27th 2009 in London (closed to Heathrow Airport). >>>> >>>> The tournament has 4 divisions: Open, Women, Mixed and Master. >>>> >>>> All pitches will be at the same site and there will be space for about 100 >>>> teams. >>>> >>>> The winner of each division will be crowned European Club Champion 2009. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> How can teams qualify for XEUCF? >>>> >>>> Whenever possible the results of the national championship (EUCQ) 2009 will >>>> be considered for the national ranking and so for the qualification to >>>> XEUCF. >>>> >>>> There are different qualification steps between Open and the other >>>> divisions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Women/Mixed/Master Division >>>> >>>> For these divisions the qualification process is very similar to the EUCC >>>> one. >>>> >>>> Each nation member of the EFDF will be allowed to send 1 team per division. >>>> >>>> Wild cards will be given to nations according to their placements in the >>>> last WFDF and EFDF competitions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Open >>>> >>>> The successful EUCS format (http://www.eucs.efdf.org/) will be applied in >>>> the open division, with 3 selection stages: EUCQ, EUCR and XEUCF. >>>> >>>> Teams, who qualified for the EUCR, will be allowed to register to XEUCF >>>> (max 16 per region) according to the EUCR bid allocation rules in each >>>> region. >>>> >>>> The initial selection of the max 64 teams will be performed during EUCR and >>>> teams registered for XEUCF will be grouped into at least 3 divisions (Open1 >>>> for the top16, Open2, Open3, .). Bid allocation for the XEUCF-Open1 division >>>> is based on the results of the EUCF2008. The CSC will decide how to >>>> distribute the bids for the Open2, Open3, etc. division. >>>> >>>> There will be a small overlapping between the divisions at XEUCF, so that >>>> for instance, a team from the Open2 can finish max 9th, etc. >>>> >>>> The final ranking of the XEUCF will be used to define the bid allocation >>>> for the EUCF2010 according to the standard EUCF Bidding Allocation System ( >>>> http://www.eucs.efdf.org/2008/eucfbids.html). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What do federations need to do now? >>>> >>>> Federations must deliver to the EUF Board (bids2009 (at) efdf.org) within >>>> February 15th 2009 the number of teams, which are interested in playing in >>>> each division at XEUCF. >>>> >>>> Please notice: No answer means that no team in any division will come, so >>>> the bids pre-reserved for the nation will be offered to other ones. >>>> >>>> Within March 15th 2009 the EUF Board will communicate the number of bids >>>> each nation has in each division. >>>> >>>> In the divisions where a selection at national/sectional level must be >>>> made, because a nation as more interested teams than available spots, EUCQ >>>> (=National Championship or ad-hoc tournament) should be played before May >>>> 31st 2009. >>>> >>>> If a Nation has exactly as many bids for XEUCF as the teams interested in >>>> playing in that division, no real selection is needed, so EUCQ can be played >>>> anytime before EUCR (only for Open) or before Sept. 7th. The results will be >>>> used for the XEUCF seeding. >>>> >>>> Sept. 7th 2009 is the last date when EUCQ2009 and EUCR2009 results can be >>>> considered for the XEUCF. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If it is not possible to hold the EUCQ before the given deadlines, >>>> federations are kindly asked to get in touch with the EUF Board (bids2009 >>>> (at) efdf.org) to find a solution. >>>> >>>> RCS will provide as soon as possible the date and location of the EUCRs, so >>>> that Open teams can plan with large advance these tournaments. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Deadline summary: >>>> >>>> Feb. 15th 2009: Federation prove number of wished bids per division >>>> >>>> Mar. 15th 2009: EUF Board publish bids distribution in each division >>>> >>>> May-June 2009: XEUCF registration deadline (not fixed yet) >>>> >>>> Aug. 2009: EUCRs in all regions for the Open division >>>> >>>> Aug./Sept. 2009: XEUCF Final Payment >>>> >>>> Sept. 7th 2009: National/Regional seeding is defined. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I hope that this late publication of the EFDF calendar does not cause you >>>> too many troubles in defining your national one. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In name of the EFDF/EUF and the CSC I wish you a >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Marry Christmas and an exiting & high spirited Ultimate Season 2009 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ciao >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Oddi >>>> >>>> - EUCS - Together for the growth of Ultimate in Europe - >>>> >>>> www.eucs.efdf.org >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> BritDisc mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc >>>> Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BritDisc mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc >>> Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed >>> >>> >>> >>> End of BritDisc Digest, Vol 66, Issue 8 >>> *************************************** >> _________________________________________________________________ >> View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place - Learn more! >> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ >> __________________________________________________ >> BritDisc mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc >> Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed >> > > > __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
