Efe Arkayin wrote: > Hi Joaquín, > > Glad that you were able to notice the same thing - at least I am not > the only one suffering from this glitch :) > > Christian, > > Were you aware of this - is there already a rationale that explains > this behavior (which means that I am missing something about the > doubling theory) or is this indeed a bug that needs further inspection? > > Kind Regards, > > Efe > > --- On *Wed, 18/3/09, Joaquín Koifman /<[email protected]>/* wrote: > > > From: Joaquín Koifman <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Bug-gnubg] Problems with Gnubg 04-Mar-2009 release > To: [email protected] > Cc: "Christian Anthon" <[email protected]>, "Massimiliano > Maini" <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, 18 March, 2009, 11:55 PM > > Efe, > > Correct, that only happens when the cube has already been turned. > The tutor doesn't inform about the mistake nor mark the move with > yellow. > > Joaquin > > > 2009/3/18 <[email protected] > <http://uk..mc283.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > > > Dear Christian, Joaquín, Max, > > I just stumbled again upon a faulty "Too Good To Double" tutor > error during one of my matches against Gnubg. > > Attached is the match file for your observation - I occured > during Game 5. I knew it was too good to double anyway, but > tried it just to see whether the tutor was going to stop me > against committing this mistake. According to the anaysis > pane, it was a blunder of 0.764 points magnitude marked with a > big yellow!!! Obviously, Gnubg dropped it... > > I guess you can open the same file with your own Gnubg and > then continue Game 5 from the Redouble move onwards. Please > inform me how the match continues for you? Does the tutor warn > you against the move or does it just go ahead with your > decision just to let Gnubg pass the cube? > > I am now wondering with suspect, whether the tutor is not > functioning correctly for "Too Good To Double" _when the cube > is already turned_??? Anyone wanna comment on this?? > > Kind Regards, > > Efe > > > > > > --- On *Sat, 14/3/09, [email protected] > <http://uk.mc283.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > /<[email protected] > > <http://uk.mc283.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>/* > wrote: > > > From: [email protected] > > <http://uk.mc283.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > <[email protected] <http://co.uk/>> > > Subject: Re: [Bug-gnubg] Problems with Gnubg 04-Mar-2009 > release > To: "Christian Anthon" <[email protected] > > <http://uk.mc283.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>, > "Joaquín Koifman" <[email protected] > > <http://uk.mc283.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>, > "Massimiliano Maini" <[email protected] > > <http://uk.mc283.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > Cc: [email protected] > <http://uk.mc283.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > Date: Saturday, 14 March, 2009, 11:36 AM > > Dear Christian, Joaquín and all, > > I have some further diagnosis and observations since > yesterday that I would like to share with you upon > Joaquín's request: > > 8) I realize now that my older version (Sep-08) is > analyzing the match "on-the-go" [player0, analysis and > evaluation settings in both versions all set as checker > play="supremo", cube play= "worldclass", tutor > decision="same as evaluation"]. What I mean with this is > that when I for example make a very lucky, very unlucky, > doubtful, bad, very bad move etc, I immediately see its > effects (bold, italics, colored etc.) in the "Game Record" > panel after I confirm my move by clicking on the dice. > > On the other hand, the newer version (Mar-09) does not do > this "on-the-go" analysis right after the move. All > comments (bold, italics, bad, very bad, lucky, unlucky > etc.) only appear in the "Game Record" panel, if and only > if you perform a full analysis of the match afterwards. In > addition, the missing "delta equity" for each move with > respect to the average dice roll in the parenthesis also > appears surprisingly after the analysis! > > This is basically the reason why it is taking so short for > the older version to analyze the match (since it is just > analyzing gnubg's moves - half the work!), whereas the > newer version starts everything from scratch. I > double-checked the settings for everything and can assure > you that they are the same. Does this mean anything to > you? Do you encounter the same problem? Is it in anyway > related to an already addressed error? > > A) After Joaquín's request, I tried to artificially create > some "Too Good To Double" positions by using the edit > mode. He is right - I could not see the problem at least > in these examples anymore with Mar-09 version - maybe this > problem also depended on the match scores when I > encountered them in the past? > > Therefore, I assume for now that the Tutor works fine with > the newer version regarding "Too Good To Double" > decisions. If I ever encounter a similar error in the > future during any of my matches, I will same the game and > forward it as a concrete evidence for your inspection. > > C) As I wrote in my original mail, those cases were > _definitely_ wins or losses for Gnubg and its equity was > already probably -1.000 or +1.000. So Joaquín's argument > makes sense. Since all possible moves are having the same > equity value at that instant, Gnubg cannot differentiate > between them and probably picks "any random" one amongst > them. That's the only reasonable explanation for it. > > Kind Regards & Nice Weekend to all! > > Efe > > > --- On *Fri, 13/3/09, Joaquín Koifman /<[email protected] > > <http://uk.mc283.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>/* > wrote: > > > From: Joaquín Koifman <[email protected] > > <http://uk.mc283.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > > > Subject: Re: [Bug-gnubg] Problems with Gnubg > 04-Mar-2009 release > To: "Christian Anthon" <[email protected] > > <http://uk.mc283.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > Cc: bug-gnubg-bounces+massimiliano.maini=amadeus.com > <http://amadeus.com/>@gnu.org <http://gnu.org/>, > "Massimiliano Maini" <[email protected] > > <http://uk.mc283.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>, > [email protected] > > <http://uk.mc283.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > Date: Friday, 13 March, 2009, 2:24 PM > > Hi all, > > A couple of comments about some issues: > > 1) It's still not solved in the 20080313 version. > > 8) I think that what happened was that the match was > already analyzed. 45 seconds is normal for an analysis > while 5 seconds is very, very fast.. Could you try to > reproduce it again, Efe? > > A) I couldn't reproduce neither in the 20080313 > version nor in the 20080304 one. > > C) Probably gnubg had already won the match or there > was no posibility that it could save the gammon, in > the examples you gave. Thus, the program made any move > because the equities would be all the same. Could you > check this also? > > Joaquin > > > > > Hi Efe,
I'll make sure that it works when I'm done with the hint changes. Thx, for the report. Christian. _______________________________________________ Bug-gnubg mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnubg
