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2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8366899: SetupExecute should add the command line to vardeps
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v18]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v9]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v9]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8344159: Add lint warnings for unnecessary warning suppression
Archie Cobbs
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v9]
Alexey Semenyuk
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8361950: Update to use jtreg 8 [v5]
Christian Stein
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v9]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8367859: Remove shell script from nio exception gensrc
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8367859: Remove shell script from nio exception gensrc
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v18]
SendaoYan
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8361950: Update to use jtreg 8 [v5]
Alan Bateman
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8367859: Remove shell script from nio exception gensrc
Alan Bateman
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8367801: jtreg failure_handler - don't use the -L option for ps command
Jaikiran Pai
2025/09/17
RFR: 8366899: SetupExecute should add the command line to vardeps
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8367859: Remove shell script from nio exception gensrc
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v6]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8367859: Remove shell script from nio exception gensrc
Naoto Sato
2025/09/17
RFR: 8367859: Remove shell script from nio exception gensrc
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v9]
Alexey Semenyuk
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8367859: Remove shell script from nio exception gensrc
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v9]
SendaoYan
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v10]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8356379: Need a proper way to test existence of binary from configure
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/17
"useless" librt.so.1 dependency on Linux reported by dpkg-shlibdeps
Baesken, Matthias
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8361950: Update to use jtreg 8 [v5]
Chen Liang
2025/09/17
Integrated: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64
SendaoYan
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8361950: Update to use jtreg 8 [v5]
Alan Bateman
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8367801: jtreg failure_handler - don't use the -L option for ps command
Aleksey Shipilev
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v19]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v9]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8361950: Update to use jtreg 8 [v5]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/17
Re: RFR: 8361950: Update to use jtreg 8 [v5]
Christian Stein
2025/09/16
RFR: 8367801: jtreg failure_handler - don't use the -L option for ps command
Jaikiran Pai
2025/09/16
Re: RFR: 8361950: Update to use jtreg 8 [v5]
Christian Stein
2025/09/16
Re: RFR: 8361950: Update to use jtreg 8 [v5]
Alan Bateman
2025/09/16
Re: RFR: 8356379: Need a proper way to test existence of binary from configure
Julian Waters
2025/09/16
Re: RFR: 8361950: Update to use jtreg 8 [v4]
David Holmes
2025/09/16
Re: RFR: 8344159: Add lint warnings for unnecessary warning suppression
Joe Darcy
2025/09/16
Re: RFR: 8344159: Add lint warnings for unnecessary warning suppression
Joe Darcy
2025/09/16
Re: RFR: 8252582: HotSpot Style Guide should permit variable templates
Andrew Dinn
2025/09/16
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v18]
SendaoYan
2025/09/15
RFR: 8367724: Remove Trailing Return Types from undecided list
Kim Barrett
2025/09/15
Re: RFR: 8252582: HotSpot Style Guide should permit variable templates
Kim Barrett
2025/09/15
Integrated: 8252582: HotSpot Style Guide should permit variable templates
Kim Barrett
2025/09/15
RFR: 8344159: Add lint warnings for unnecessary warning suppression
Archie Cobbs
2025/09/15
Re: RFR: 8252582: HotSpot Style Guide should permit variable templates
Vladimir Kozlov
2025/09/15
Re: RFR: 8252582: HotSpot Style Guide should permit variable templates
Kim Barrett
2025/09/15
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v19]
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/15
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v9]
Roger Riggs
2025/09/15
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v9]
Roger Riggs
2025/09/15
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v9]
Alan Bateman
2025/09/15
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables
Alan Bateman
2025/09/14
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v18]
SendaoYan
2025/09/14
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v19]
SendaoYan
2025/09/13
Re: Mixture of product and fastdebug builds in GHA
Shipilev, Aleksey
2025/09/13
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v9]
SendaoYan
2025/09/13
RE: Mixture of product and fastdebug builds in GHA
Baesken, Matthias
2025/09/12
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v17]
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/12
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v18]
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/12
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v18]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/12
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v18]
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/12
RFR: 8367546: Clarify meaning of "corresponding header" for architecture-qualified .inline.hpp files
Francesco Andreuzzi
2025/09/12
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v18]
SendaoYan
2025/09/12
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v17]
SendaoYan
2025/09/12
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v10]
SendaoYan
2025/09/12
Integrated: 8246325: Add DRYRUN facility to SetupExecute
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/12
Withdrawn: 8349638: Build libjdwp with SIZE optimization
duke
2025/09/12
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v13]
SendaoYan
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v10]
SendaoYan
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables
Jiangli Zhou
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v6]
Jiangli Zhou
2025/09/11
RFR: 8246325: Add DRYRUN facility to SetupExecute
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v13]
SendaoYan
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v6]
SendaoYan
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8366837: Clean up gensrc by spp.Spp
xxDark
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v6]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8252582: HotSpot Style Guide should permit variable templates
Stefan Karlsson
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v13]
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8366837: Clean up gensrc by spp.Spp
Chen Liang
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v5]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v8]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v16]
SendaoYan
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v13]
SendaoYan
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v13]
SendaoYan
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v15]
SendaoYan
2025/09/11
RFR: 8252582: HotSpot Style Guide should permit variable templates
Kim Barrett
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8252582: HotSpot Style Guide should permit variable templates
David Holmes
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables
Jiangli Zhou
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v14]
SendaoYan
2025/09/11
Re: Mixture of product and fastdebug builds in GHA
David Holmes
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v9]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v12]
SendaoYan
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v12]
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v12]
SendaoYan
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v6]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v6]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v7]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/11
RE: Mixture of product and fastdebug builds in GHA
Baesken, Matthias
2025/09/11
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v6]
SendaoYan
2025/09/10
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables
Alan Bateman
2025/09/10
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables
Jiangli Zhou
2025/09/10
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v10]
SendaoYan
2025/09/10
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v9]
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/10
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v9]
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/10
Re: RFR: 8367157: Remove jrunscript tool
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/10
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v6]
SendaoYan
2025/09/10
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v9]
SendaoYan
2025/09/10
Integrated: 8344030: Improved handling of TOOLCHAIN_PATH
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/10
Integrated: 8367259: Clean up make/scripts and bin directory
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/10
Re: RFR: 8367157: Remove jrunscript tool
Albert Mingkun Yang
2025/09/10
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v6]
SendaoYan
2025/09/09
Re: RFR: 8246325: Add DRYRUN facility to SetupExecute
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/09
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v6]
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/09
Re: RFR: 8367259: Clean up make/scripts and bin directory
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/09
Re: RFR: 8344030: Improved handling of TOOLCHAIN_PATH
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/09
RFR: 8367259: Clean up make/scripts and bin directory
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/09
Re: RFR: 8367157: Remove jrunscript tool
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/09
Re: RFR: 8346719: Add relaunchers to the static JDK image for missing executables [v3]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/09
Re: RFR: 8344030: Improved handling of TOOLCHAIN_PATH
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/09
RFR: 8344030: Improved handling of TOOLCHAIN_PATH
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/09
Integrated: 8365231: Don't build gtest with /EHsc
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/09
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v6]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/09
Re: RFR: 8365231: Don't build gtest with /EHsc [v3]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/09
Re: RFR: 8365231: Don't build gtest with /EHsc [v2]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/09
Re: RFR: 8365231: Don't build gtest with /EHsc [v2]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/08
Integrated: 8367130: JDK builds broken by 8366837: Clean up gensrc by spp.Spp
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/08
RFR: 8367130: JDK builds broken by 8366837: Clean up gensrc by spp.Spp
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/08
Re: RFR: 8366837: Clean up gensrc by spp.Spp
Philip Race
2025/09/08
Re: RFR: 8366837: Clean up gensrc by spp.Spp
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/08
Re: RFR: 8366837: Clean up gensrc by spp.Spp
Alan Bateman
2025/09/08
Integrated: 8366837: Clean up gensrc by spp.Spp
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/08
Integrated: 8367034: [REDO] Protect ExecuteWithLog from running with redirection without a subshell
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/08
Re: RFR: 8342869: Errors related to unused code on Windows after 8339120 in awt [v2]
Julian Waters
2025/09/08
Re: RFR: 8366837: Clean up gensrc by spp.Spp
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/08
Re: RFR: 8342869: Errors related to unused code on Windows after 8339120 in awt [v2]
Julian Waters
2025/09/08
Re: RFR: 8367034: [REDO] Protect ExecuteWithLog from running with redirection without a subshell
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/08
Re: RFR: 8330341: Wrap call to MT in ExecuteWithLog
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/08
RFR: 8367034: [REDO] Protect ExecuteWithLog from running with redirection without a subshell
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/07
Re: RFR: 8361950: Update to use jtreg 8 [v4]
David Holmes
2025/09/07
Integrated: 8367035: [BACKOUT] Protect ExecuteWithLog from running with redirection without a subshell
David Holmes
2025/09/07
Re: RFR: 8367035: [BACKOUT] Protect ExecuteWithLog from running with redirection without a subshell
David Holmes
2025/09/07
Re: RFR: 8367035: [BACKOUT] Protect ExecuteWithLog from running with redirection without a subshell
Kim Barrett
2025/09/07
RFR: 8367035: [BACKOUT] Protect ExecuteWithLog from running with redirection without a subshell
David Holmes
2025/09/07
Re: RFR: 8314488: Compiling the JDK with C++17 [v4]
Vladimir Kozlov
2025/09/07
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v6]
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/07
Re: RFR: 8332872: SetupExecute should cd to temp directory
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/07
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v6]
SendaoYan
2025/09/07
Re: RFR: 8233115: Protect ExecuteWithLog from running with redirection without a subshell [v3]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/07
Re: RFR: 8314488: Compiling the JDK with C++17 [v4]
Kim Barrett
2025/09/07
Integrated: 8233115: Protect ExecuteWithLog from running with redirection without a subshell
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/07
RFR: 8330341: Wrap call to MT in ExecuteWithLog
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/06
Re: RFR: 8330341: Wrap call to MT in ExecuteWithLog
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/06
Re: RFR: 8361950: Update to use jtreg 8 [v4]
Alan Bateman
2025/09/06
Mixture of product and fastdebug builds in GHA
Baesken, Matthias
2025/09/06
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64
SendaoYan
2025/09/06
Re: RFR: 8233115: Protect ExecuteWithLog from running with redirection without a subshell [v2]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/06
Re: RFR: 8366837: Clean up gensrc by spp.Spp
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/06
Integrated: 8332872: SetupExecute should cd to temp directory
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/05
Re: RFR: 8361950: Update to use jtreg 8 [v4]
Chen Liang
2025/09/05
Re: RFR: 8366455: Move VarHandles.GuardMethodGenerator to execute on build [v2]
Paul Sandoz
2025/09/05
Re: RFR: 8366837: Clean up gensrc by spp.Spp
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/05
Re: RFR: 8332872: SetupExecute should cd to temp directory
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/05
Re: RFR: 8366837: Clean up gensrc by spp.Spp
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/05
Re: RFR: 8233115: Protect ExecuteWithLog from running with redirection without a subshell [v3]
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/05
Integrated: 8366455: Move VarHandles.GuardMethodGenerator to execute on build
Chen Liang
2025/09/05
Re: RFR: 8366455: Move VarHandles.GuardMethodGenerator to execute on build [v2]
Chen Liang
2025/09/05
Integrated: 8314488: Compiling the JDK with C++17
Kim Barrett
2025/09/05
Re: RFR: 8332872: SetupExecute should cd to temp directory
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/05
Re: RFR: 8366837: Clean up gensrc by spp.Spp
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/05
RFR: 8366837: Clean up gensrc by spp.Spp
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/05
Re: RFR: 8366837: Clean up gensrc by spp.Spp
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/05
Re: RFR: 8366455: Move VarHandles.GuardMethodGenerator to execute on build
Chen Liang
2025/09/05
RFR: 8332872: SetupExecute should cd to temp directory
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/05
Re: RFR: 8233115: Protect ExecuteWithLog from running with redirection without a subshell [v3]
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/05
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v6]
SendaoYan
2025/09/04
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v4]
SendaoYan
2025/09/04
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v6]
SendaoYan
2025/09/04
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v5]
SendaoYan
2025/09/04
Re: RFR: 8361950: Update to use jtreg 8 [v4]
Christian Stein
2025/09/04
RFR: 8366836: Don't execute post-IncludeCustomExtension if file was not included
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/04
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v4]
SendaoYan
2025/09/04
Re: RFR: 8233115: Protect ExecuteWithLog from running with redirection without a subshell
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/04
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v4]
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/04
RFR: 8233115: Protect ExecuteWithLog from running with redirection without a subshell
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/04
Re: RFR: 8233115: Protect ExecuteWithLog from running with redirection without a subshell
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/04
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v4]
SendaoYan
2025/09/04
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v3]
SendaoYan
2025/09/04
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64 [v2]
SendaoYan
2025/09/04
Integrated: 8366836: Don't execute post-IncludeCustomExtension if file was not included
Magnus Ihse Bursie
2025/09/03
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64
SendaoYan
2025/09/03
Re: RFR: 8314488: Compiling the JDK with C++17 [v4]
Ivan Walulya
2025/09/03
Integrated: 8300080: offset_of for GCC/Clang exhibits undefined behavior and is not always a compile-time constant
Kim Barrett
2025/09/03
Re: RFR: 8300080: offset_of for GCC/Clang exhibits undefined behavior and is not always a compile-time constant
Kim Barrett
2025/09/03
Re: RFR: 8366836: Don't execute post-IncludeCustomExtension if file was not included
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/03
Re: RFR: 8300080: offset_of for GCC/Clang exhibits undefined behavior and is not always a compile-time constant
Kim Barrett
2025/09/03
Re: RFR: 8314488: Compiling the JDK with C++17 [v4]
Kim Barrett
2025/09/03
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64
Erik Joelsson
2025/09/03
Re: RFR: 8366777: Build fails unknown pseudo-op with old AS on linux-aarch64
Aleksey Shipilev
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