Two things about the signal-to-noise ratio of an email list.

First, conversations about the topicality of off-topic messages (by which I mean discussions like this very one that we're engaging in right at this moment) tend to generate vast quantities of frankly off-topic noise, especially when compared to the off-topic messages that are under discussion. Consider, for example, the number of "April Fools" messages to the number of messages talking about the "April Fools" messages. There have been at least twice as many in the meta discussion than were posted in the first place. These messages will also tend to be very contentious, which probably accounts for there being such a large number of them.

Second, a low signal-to-noise ratio in an email list is nearly always due to a low amount of signal in the list rather than to an excess of noise. (The only exception I know of is on the SMOFs list, and that has to do with the characteristics of certain of the personalities on that list. I can explain more, if you want me to, but it probably works better in a private conversation.) So, the appropriate response to being unhappy with a low signal-to-noise ratio is to try to put more signal in the list rather than to put more noise on the list in an attempt to reduce the amount of noise on the list. On-topic messages tend to foster more on-topic discussion.

One last point I'll make is that nobody concerned with a low signal-to-noise ratio finds comments like "you can always delete the messages you don't like" to be very helpful. If the noise is high enough, it is easiest to simply withdraw.

On 04/02/2017 10:18 AM, John Chauvin via BVARC wrote:
Au contraire.

It is not that my, and hopefully anyone else's, whole day is consumed with the reflector. Rather it is that many of us have a busy schedule and have to sort through this BS to get to our only desire for the reflector - amateur radio.

One exception, because of the nature of many amateur radio operators, an occasional "off topic" is required as a one-time question or similar, but not leading to a long e-mail trail. I would hope that those that respond to these occasional requests do so directly and not respond to the entire reflector.

IMHO (to quote a internationally acclaimed orator and noble statesman).


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*From:* Rick Hiller -- W5RH via BVARC <[email protected]>
*To:* BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <[email protected]>
*Cc:* Rick Hiller -- W5RH <[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sunday, April 2, 2017 10:03 AM
*Subject:* Re: [BVARC] Trash on our Amateur Radio reflector


Well now, let's see...

No political comments -- then no discussion about HR555.

No religious comments -- then no discussion about the propagation, sun spots, solar storms, because that is Mother Nature/God -- the ultimate OP, no matter what building you go into Friday, Saturday or Sunday.

No humorous comments.....oh, no humor, sorry, I'll stop here then.

C'mon folks, if your whole day is consumed by what comes across the BVARC reflector and you do not know what a delete key is, then you deserve to be miserable. Even Dr. Feinman had a sense of humor.

73 (sincerely) Rick -- W5RH

ps...keep complaiing and I will start the wood chuck thread again....Oh..,,sorry, no humor allowed. My apologies.

Rick Hiller
/The Radio Hotel/  -- W5RH



On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Pat Cameron via BVARC <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    I vote for that! ( and the code requirement :-)

    On Apr 2, 2017 8:56 AM, "K5HM" <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        I do not care for political or religious comments but if we
        ban humor, well, that is a step too far.
        There is precious little ham humor in our hobby.  We all seen
        to take ourselves too seriously.  Next thing you know, we will
        be bannibg the expressions of humor like words like  Ha Ha or
        Hee Hee Heee.
        Come on  April 1^st . OK?
        73,
        Ron, K5HM
        [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        www.qrz.com/db/k5hm <http://www.qrz.com/db/k5hm>
        ARRL Logologo (2)smaller Prize
        *        Excelsior!*
        *From:*BVARC [mailto:[email protected] g
        <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Pat Cameron
        via BVARC
        *Sent:* Sunday, April 2, 2017 7:16 AM
        *To:* BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        *Cc:* Pat Cameron <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>; Michael Monsour <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        *Subject:* Re: [BVARC] Trash on our Amateur Radio reflector
        Can we take a vote?

        */Best Regards,/*
        */Pat Cameron/*
        (832)885-2899
        On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 6:08 AM, K5IZO via BVARC
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            Michael, I agree.
            Let's keep this reflector for ham radio so we don't have
            to receive this garbage. Political views, sinkholes and
            April Fools trash isn't welcome here.

            Sent from my iPhone

            On Apr 2, 2017, at 5:57 AM, Michael Monsour via BVARC
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                If you are going to do April 1st stuff then have the
                FCC turn ham radio into CB. No more calls and free for
                all and anything goes
                On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 10:51 PM, Jeff Davis via BVARC
                <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                    I enjoyed it, I’ve been hit with so many today
                    that it was getting old.  Then this one and man I
                    swallowed it hook line and oh you know.
                    it wasn’t till I went back to read it again and
                    saw the date that I went, oh crap, I fell for one.
                    Thanks,
                    KF5HQE Jeff

                        On Apr 1, 2017, at 10:12 PM, gmuller885 via
                        BVARC <[email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
                        Just haveing fun michael. Don't take it so
                        seriously.
                        Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy® Note 4.


                        -------- Original message --------
                        From: Michael Monsour via BVARC
                        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
                        Date: 4/1/17 9:42 PM (GMT-06:00)
                        To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB
                        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
                        Cc: Michael Monsour <[email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>>, JP Pritchard
                        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
                        Subject: Re: [BVARC] FCC action!!

                        Enough with the April 1st junk
                        On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 9:03 PM, JP Pritchard
                        via BVARC<[email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>>wrote:

                            I know this is crap since the federal
                            government would never say in a press
                            release that it had made a big mistake.
                            Nice try Chris. You're an April fool.

                            JP

                            Sent from my iPhone

                            > On Apr 1, 2017, at 8:45 PM, Chris Boone
                            via BVARC <[email protected]
                            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
                            >
                            > FCC to reinstate Morse Code test
                            >
                            > Washington, D.C. – April 1, 2017 –
                            >
                            > Today, the Federal Communications
                            Commission (Commission or FCC) approved
                            Report and Order 14-987af which reinstates
                            the Morse Code test for General Class and
                            Amateur Extra Class licensees.
                            >
                            > “It was a big mistake eliminating the
                            Morse Code test,” admits Dotty Dasher, the
                            FCC’s director of examinations. “We now
                            realize that being able to send and
                            receive Morse Code is an essential skill
                            for radio amateurs. As they say, it really
                            does get through when other modes can’t.”
                            >
                            > Not only will new applicants have to
                            take the test, but General Class licensees
                            who have never passed a code test will
                            have one year to pass a 5-wpm code test.
                            Similarly, Amateur Extra class licensees
                            that never passed a code test will have
                            one year to pass a 13-wpm test. Those
                            amateurs that fail to pass the test will
                            face revocation of their operating
                            privileges. Materials for administering
                            the examinations will be distributed to
                            Volunteer Examiner Coordinators by the end
                            of April, so that they can begin the
                            testing on May 1, 2017.
                            >
                            > “This isn’t going to be one of those
                            silly multiple-choice type tests,” noted
                            Dasher. “We’re going to be sending
                            five-character random code groups, just
                            like we did in the old days. And,
                            applicants will have to prove that they
                            can send, too, using a poorly adjusted
                            straight key.”
                            >
                            > Technician Class licensees will not be
                            required to take a Morse Code test, nor
                            will a test be required for new
                            applicants. “We discussed it,” said
                            Dasher, “but decided that since most Techs
                            can’t even figure out how to program their
                            HTs, requiring them to learn Morse Code
                            seemed like cruel and unusual punishment.”
                            >
                            > When asked what other actions we might
                            see from the FCC, Dasher hinted that in
                            the future applicants taking the written
                            exam may be required to draw circuit
                            diagrams, such as Colpitts oscillators and
                            diode ring mixers, once again. “We’re
                            beginning to think that if an applicant
                            passes an amateur radio license exam it
                            should mean that he or she actually knows
                            something,” she said.
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