The discussions make it clear that: (1) there is a need to use terminology other than "gypsy," at least in some venues, and (2) there is no generally-agreed substitute term.

A lot of callers see that as an impediment to clear and concise teaching/calling. I have certainly experienced confusion and annoyance as a dancer. I believe that the folk process will provide a solution, but I appreciate the efforts to accelerate what could otherwise take many years to resolve.

I appreciate the reports of what different callers are trying and their degree of success. At the same time, it makes a lot of sense to avoid rehashing the same arguments, as you suggest. Right now, we're in an empirical phase--trial and error--and rapid dissemination of results seems like the way to go. If that process suggests a few good candidates, it might be time to debate their merits.


On 3/14/2018 03:31, Andrea Nettleton via Callers wrote:
Hi everyone,
     Here we are once more, sharing our likes and dislikes, our preferred term 
(I’ve shared and still like whimsy, but look-see got my attention) of the 
moment.  But why are we circling this wagon again? Though everyone is polite, 
and thankfully we haven’t begun to rehash whether gypsy is a slur or not, I 
also see no fresh approach, no new insight, to clarify for one and all a 
single, simple, right answer.  Don’t get me wrong, I’m not sure there is one.  
But I’m positive we won’t get there by having more of the same back and forth 
we’ve already had.  While I  R eyelemande my neighbor, you’re going to R 
shoulder round yours, and as far as I can tell, that’s where we are and will 
be.  Could we please maybe back away from the specifics a bit, and see if we 
can generate a new way of framing the debate?  And if we can’t, just let the 
experiment continue without rehashing the already well trodden ground?

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On Mar 13, 2018, at 11:53 PM, Cara Sawyer via Callers 
<> wrote:

Jo Mortland of the Chicago Barn Dance group here came up with Dipsy. Nice and 
silly and sounds similar enough it requires no explanation. Sort of like Kipsy!

Guess what they say about great minds is true!

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On Mar 13, 2018, at 14:41, Perry Shafran via Callers 
<> wrote:

I happen to *like* right shoulder round and have liked it ever since three callers at a 
dance event used it and it went rather flawlessly.  I like the fact that it is actually 
descriptive in what you're doing.  I think that the more we try to invent made-up words 
to try to make it sound fun and whimsey, the more we are likely to upset dancers who 
don't like that we're changing terms as it is.  It may *sound* like a boring descriptor, 
but I feel my job as a caller is to describe the move and let the dancer decide what the 
mood is going to be for that individual dancer, based on their own feelings and their own 
connection to the music.  So I plan to stick with "right shoulder round".


From: Martha Wild via Callers <>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 2:03 PM
Subject: [Callers] More substitute terms for the g-word

Interesting discussion on the Portland Country Dance Community Facebook page. 
Lots of great suggestions. A lot of people really don’t like “right shoulder 
round” (I’m one of them). I tried one of their suggestions last night - Kipsey 
- and it worked amazingly well. Easy to say, particularly when you are cutting 
down the calling to one word (what do you do with right shoulder round? 
shoulder? Ick.) And everyone can hear the similarity and knows what to do. I 
had tried spiral for a while and people just seemed confused. The other 
suggestion that I noticed today was from Susan Michaels - “look-see” That has 
the virtue of a similar rhyming two syllable call, and it’s upbeat and fun and 
has emphasis on facing the other person. Check out the discussion.

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