Jim, maybe the meager response was because you didn't give an example. And what does "the DL;TR crowd" mean?
Tom Sent from my iPad > On Apr 10, 2018, at 9:45 PM, jim saxe via Callers > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Apr 6, 2018, at 3:49 PM, Yoyo Zhou via Callers >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I recall reading something, possibly from Jim Saxe on this list (and maybe >> from Larry Jennings?), about how in most dances without out-of-minor-set >> interactions, you come back into the set ... once - after progressing to the >> end. But in dances like The Hobbit, where you leave the minor set once, you >> actually come back in to the set 3 times. ... > > That would have been from me in a message to this list on July 9, > 2014 with the subject "An observation about end effects -- becoming > neutral three times at each end". > > https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg07945.html > > Based on the meager response at the time, I fear that few readers > got my point (though it looks like Yoyo was one who did). For the > TL;DR crowd, here's the short version: > > In almost every contra with even a simple out-of-minor-set > action, dancers who reach the top or bottom will become > neutral and return to the body of the set not twice but at > least *THREE* different times. > > I'm not going to give an example. I think that anyone who picks > a few examples of dances with out-of-minor-set action and actually > takes the trouble to trace the end effects carefully will see, now > that I've pointed it out, that what I've said is true. And anyone > who won't take that trouble to do that probably also wouldn't take > the trouble to study my analysis of an example if I gave one. > > In case anyone's wondering about my terminology, I won't try to > give definitions of "out-of-minor-set action" and "neutral" that > cover every unusual situation, but here are some remarks about > common situations that should make my meaning clear: > > If you leave your partner to dance with a shadow and then > return to your partner, or if you leave a neighbor to dance > with a future neighbor or a previous neighbor and then return > to the first neighbor, I count that as an out-of-minor-set > action. If a dance merely has you and your partner progress > to new neighbors in the middle of the tune (instead of at the > transition from B2 to A1), and you stay in that new foursome > until the same point in the next round of the dance, then I > don't count it as out-of-minor-set action. I also don't count > merely taking hands in long lines with a shadow or a past or > future neighbor while you still have your partner or your > current neighbor in the other hand. > > If dancers are doing something in groups of four, I count any > dancers near the top or bottom to the set who aren't part of > a complete foursome as neutral. This includes the case where > a pair dancers stand still during a diagonal ladies' chain > or a diagonal right and left through because there's nobody > to do it with. > > If most of the dancers are doing a two-person figure with > partners, neighbors, or shadows on the sides of the set, > then I count as neutral any dancers at the top or bottom > who are (1) standing still, (2) "dancing with ghosts", or > (3) dancing the figure with someone *across* the set > (possibly a partner or shadow acting as a neighbor). > > --Jim > > _______________________________________________ > List Name: Callers mailing list > List Address: [email protected] > Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ _______________________________________________ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: [email protected] Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
