Dear all. Thanx for bringing up the "garbage in the back yard". I forgot to mention that. I notice it every time I go there but haven't had the courage to say anything about it. I just can't understand why parents wouldn't clean the mess in their own back yards whether it was theirs or not. Stagnant water and garbage is no enviornment to raise children. With the money I've given them they could of easily drained the land and kept it clean whether the garbage is theirs or not. I just assumed that when your so poor and beaten down you just stop giving a shit. Several of my Surin/Burriam Khmer friends said the same things you people have; they're just lazy. What a learning experience!!! Keep it comin', Lenny G > Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:35:11 -0700 > Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter > From: timothych...@aol.com > To: camdisc@googlegroups.com > > > Hi KC, > > Thanks for sharing. It is good that you can laugh away your > innocence. > > I have heard a case with a political leader who was given > contributions to help dig water wells for certain villagers. Many > donors thought he was a decent man. Recently, one of the donors went > to check that particular village to look for the wells promised by > this politician that the wells would be dug, but to her > disappointment, the wells were nowhere to be found. > > She came back to the U.S and laughed at him, too. I am sure, however, > that politician was lauging all the way to bis bank. :-) > > I have tons of story like this to tell. It could be written as > historical books. > > Have you ever sent any more money after that? > > I hope not. > > Thanks again KC. > > ======== > > On May 18, 6:46 pm, kourk_chh...@yahoo.com wrote: > > Bang, here's my story, > > my family had collected monies to help a relative overthere, for that money > > he said he would buy a motorcycle, use it to buy and transport pigs to sell > > in the city so they 'll make profits...2 months later, they sent another > > letter, the motorcycle was broken, need money to fix it, month after that > > another letter came, he said in the letter he got in an accident, the > > motorcycle was totally lost. He got another idea, he asked to help him > > start a motorbike washer business, so we collected money for him again...a > > few months later one of us went their to visit and wanted to see how his > > business doing, guess what they saw... everybody was in melee, they told > > that the man in trouble because his wife was chasing after him with > > "Kambett Paing Tor" because he had been spent monies we sent him with young > > girls from one to another and his wife sell Nom Banh Chok everyday to feed > > the kids while this man had fun of his own....after hearing this story we > > all > > just couldn't help ourselve laughing... > > Khoar Chev ( Made in Cambodia ) > > > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, TSC <timothych...@aol.com> wrote: > > > > From: TSC <timothych...@aol.com> > > Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter > > To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org" > > <camdisc@googlegroups.com> > > Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 3:08 PM > > > > Hi KC, > > > > When I told my relatives that I had to plant flowers and vegetations > > in my living room, family room and in the kitchen, they were laughing. > > Perhaps, thinking that I was lying to have them plant things in the > > same fashion. > > > > Inspecting their lands around their home, I knew I could do a lot of > > things with the kind of soil that my relatives have. I bought them > > seeds of all kinds of vegetable and gardening flower and asking them > > to grow them. Many month later, I went back to check to see if they > > had grown them. They told me that there was not much rain to grow > > anything. I told them that I had dug nice wells for them to use the > > water for such purposes. They told me that it was too hard to water > > the plants with well water. Meanwhile, they rather asked for more > > money to go shopping for things that they could grow themselves and > > had the nerve to complain that those things have gotten more > > expensive. > > > > On the other hand, most Vietnamese and Chinese are working real hard > > for their money. They work hard from collecting cans, fishing, growing > > fruits and vegetables, selling all kinds of products and they don’t > > expect any handouts. They would risk their life to come into Cambodia > > for such an opportunity to work the land. Many of these individuals, > > except the newcomers, were in the same Pol Pot regime and yet they > > have managed to rise from poverty quicker than most Cambodians. > > > > We need to change their mentality from being sluggish to energetic and > > stop depending on others to feed them forever. In this competitive > > world we cannot have both free time and money at the same time unless > > you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth. Cambodians can > > become self-sufficient like any other people in the world, but they > > must work. Maybe it’s time for the world, country of donors and > > politicians to stop “giving them fish, but teach them how to fish”… > > and let them fish or be starved. Somehow I feel that many of them are > > being spoiled! > > > > If you don’t work, you don’t eat! > > > > Thanks KC > > > > ======= > > On May 18, 2:20 pm, kourk_chh...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bro Tim and all, > > > Bang Sothon, I can't agree more. I've never been in Cambodia for 30 > > > years, but keep hearing the same thing from different people returned > > > from visiting relatives in Cambodia that their relatives there today are > > > so lazy ( Sorry I said what they told me ), everything they have to buy > > > from the market even vegies such as mint, peppers, lemon grass etc , for > > > most of us here even we don't own a house we still be able to grow them > > > in container or planter ...don't know why they are so spoiled? > > > > > > KC > > > Khoar Chev ( Made in Cambodia ) > > > > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, TSC <timothych...@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > From: TSC <timothych...@aol.com> > > > Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter > > > To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org" > > > <camdisc@googlegroups.com> > > > Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 10:44 AM > > > > > Hi Lenny, > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > Working doesn't mean that one must be employed. I have been to Kralanh > > > and Samrong and I know that the people are destitute, there. But, many > > > people have so much free time that they can turn your contributions > > > into gold with a little effort, if they want to. > > > > > However, many people chose to sit around and do nothing, not even > > > planting some household vegetables to feed the family. They would > > > rather go to the market to buy things that they can produce themselves > > > with little effort. Some don't even clean their home, backyard and or > > > front yard and they rather sit around with garbage all over the place. > > > Many would rather spend time playing card and singing Karaoke in the > > > nearby shop. That is what I call abuse. > > > > > I used to do the same thing like you do by funding monthly money to > > > support my siblings, nieces and nephews; but much of the funds had > > > been gone with the wind. I stopped! Realizing that they had no choice > > > but to work for the money, then everyone started to work harder and > > > now they are self-reliant and I will only help them when they can > > > prove that they want to help themselves first. > > > Here is a link of some picture of a road to Samrong > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-639wS4f6k > > > > > Have a great day. > > > > > ============== > > > > > On May 18, 12:53 am, Len Graceffo <rosedalepa...@hotmail.com> wrote:> > > > Dear TSC, > > > > Thank you for your feedback. I needed to hear that. I'm so ashamed of > > > > Canada for being a puppet of the U.S. and sitting back while the U.S. > > > > bombed the shit out of Cambodia. We're responsible for the KR's > > > > atrocities by allowing them to stay in power as long as we did. My hope > > > > was that maybe not the parents but the children would recognize the > > > > spiritual principle of generousity and incorporate that into their > > > > lives as they grow older. Planting a small seed might bear fruit down > > > > the road. Among people 40 and over trust seems to be an issue amongst > > > > themselves. When I started this 2 years ago I told the family I would > > > > do this until Srey Mach was 18. I've also told Srey Mach that I will > > > > send her to University with room and board if she wants/qualifies. Just > > > > her. I'm aware that if she chooses this I will have to put controls in > > > > place. You're absolutely right about the values of hard work but are > > > > there any jobs in the rual villages besides sporadic > > > > > farming? Many people seem to be unemployed. Aside from the bustling > > > markets and the older people who seem to be busy its the 18-25 year olds > > > who seem to have a lot of time on their hands. Maybe I am doing more harm > > > than good. I work a minimum of 60 hour weeks in the oilsands of Alberta, > > > Canada. I know the value of a dollar. Thanx again. Regards, Lenny G > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 08:35:00 -0700 > > > > > Subject: Re: My Cambodian foster daughter > > > > > From: timothych...@aol.com > > > > > To: camdisc@googlegroups.com > > > > > > > Hi Lenny, > > > > > > > You are caught in the never-ending support to these people. $100.00 a > > > > > month falling from the sky is very helpful for any family, regardless > > > > > of its size. Many people are breaking their back for $50.00 (of some > > > > > 60 hours/week hard-laboring work) in a factory. > > > > > > > While I appreciate your good intention, I think you do more harm than > > > > > help by not teaching these people the values of hard work. I doubt > > > > > that you can get this $100.00 from a Canadian tree; you work for it, > > > > > don’t you? > > > > > > > Cambodian society now is a society dominated by “beggars” where many > > > > > people expect special handouts from people like you and others who are > > > > > heartbroken from seeing their poverty and injustices in Cambodia. > > > > > They love you to death when you feed them freely, but at the moment > > > > > that you stop helping them or putting any conditions on them, it’s > > > > > almost certain that you will become their foe overnight. If this will > > > > > happen, please don’t be disappointed. Just think that it was an > > > > > unconditional love that you have for them. Such thought may set you > > > > > free, but that is what they are banking on. 100 years from now, these > > > > > people will still begging for free contributions. > > > > > > > There are so many tricks and lies (I have no ideas where they learned > > > > > them from) to break your heart. Some use sickness, diseases and > > > > > family’s problems to beg; some use social or political injustices to > > > > > request your assistance; others just create their personal lies. It > > > > > happens throughout the country and in all institutions. It is a cancer > > > > > in Cambodian modern society. Government is looking for handouts; > > > > > politicians are also looking for handouts and NGOs, too, are looking > > > > > for handouts; and much of contributions have been abused. When is it > > > > > going to end? > > > > > > > One Cambodian lives near me here in New York was notified by his > > > > > siblings in Cambodia that his mother had died two times on different > > > > > dates. Before knowing that he was being deceived, the man had depleted > > > > > his savings and cash from his credit card. > > > > > > > Yes, Cambodians need help, but they must work… and prove that they “do > > > > > work.” The value of your free assistance is worth as much as free > > > > > thing; it equal to nothing in the long run. > > > > > > > Move on, you have done enough. > > > > > > > ============ > > > > > On May 16, 1:44 am, Len Graceffo <rosedalepa...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Everybody!!! I really need some advice. Please read the > > > > > > following correspondences with my friend Shelly in Canada. I've > > > > > > been told by foreigners living in Cambodia that the poor > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > >
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