Pou Leon,
Je crois vous êtes entrain de vous planter complètement. Heng sombat, Savouth
Chea et Seng Sophan are trios différents personnes dans la discussion avec
différent point de vue politiques. Suivez bien le message et le contenu posté
par chacun ….
Bon dimanche
Bopha Angkor
----- Original Message -----
From: Krakmo -kaing
To: Camdisc
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:14 AM
Subject: RE: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post
Attention!, le progres accompli par le CPP sous la perfusion d'aide du comité
international de l'ordre de
600 mls US dollars par an depuis presque 3 decennies, ne nous est pas fasciné
et cela est à quel prix?.
Non! quelle stupidité de voir des choses aveuglantes!. Ils(ces étudiants de
UH) sont quand même des
PhD, alors comment arrivent ils à encourager un régime hypercorrompu et
dirigé par un ganster.
krakmo
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 19:09:45 -1000
> CC: [email protected]
>
> This pretender of UH student has no clue of what is progress is all
> about. This person only knows how to recieve benefit from others
> progress.
>
> Progress of any persons are measured by sucess. CPP has accomplished
> more than previous government. Please proof me wrong .
>
> I am not a CPP member, but I am PRO Khmers' happiness. So far Khmer
> students able to enjoy from endless opportunities. We have more PhD
> than ever before . With this progress HS government shloud deserve
> some credits.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 9, 2010, at 10:56 AM, "Krakmo Kaing" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > C'est étonnant que ces étudiants qui se prétend ceux de l'UH et qu
> > i,
> > semble-t-il, prennent le parti de CPP pour être sympatisants avec de
> > s idées,
> > je dis non progressistes.
> > krakmo
> >
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] De
> > la part
> > de Heng Sombat
> > Envoyé : samedi 9 janvier 2010 21:08
> > À : [email protected]
> > Objet : RE: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post
> >
> > Sophan,
> >
> > The CSALOHA website is very outdated
> > (http://www2.hawaii.edu/~csaloha/officers.html). I do not think any
> > of the
> > information on the site are correct. You need to update it or take
> > the site
> > down. False information via internet or posted on the internet is
> > also a
> > crime.
> >
> > Per my information with the East West Center, you are no longer a
> > student
> > there. Plus you have sent many articles about Cambodian-Canadian's
> > activities which only proof that you are currently residing in Canada.
> >
> > There is not much to read into your article. Your intention is not
> > to help
> > Cambodia or her people. Question: Have you even hold a job that
> > produced
> > normal income and paid income-tax since you live here, US or
> > Canada? If
> > not, you have no idea what is democracy is. So please do not preach
> > democracy to others. From your resume, you have been a professional
> > student
> > and monk most of your adult life.
> >
> > Per my conversation with my friend Sok in Hawaii, your short term in
> > Hawaii
> > during your monk hood was fulfill with sins. Let me relate (one
> > issue) to
> > you and to our audience that wish to know more about you, since you
> > wanted
> > others to know about you as well. Correct me if my information is
> > incorrect, but I have no doubt about what I am about to share.
> >
> > During your study at University of Hawaii you were living in a co-ed
> > University housing that was provided by East West Center (funded by
> > American
> > tax payers). This mean that you were sharing your domicile with young
> > college girls. This alone violated Buddhism practice already. Most
> > of the
> > young girls in these days covered their body with less and less
> > garments,
> > especially when they are in their domiciles. I will stop here on
> > this issue
> > and let you and the audience of CAMDIS takes it from here.
> >
> > I have more to share, if you want me to go on! Trust me.
> >
> > Here is my suggestion. Stop attacking and putting down Cambodian
> > people and
> > her government via Phnom Penh Post. Posting article via Phnom Post
> > will be
> > read by mostly foreigners, in Phnom Penh and aboard, your article
> > will only
> > stack more mud on the Cambodian people. This government is not
> > perfect. If
> > you care, let's help Cambodian people by helping the government to
> > improve
> > their mean and way of doing government businesses. Let's start with
> > solidarity first. Solidarity is the most effective way to
> > consolidate power
> > and fight the enemy of all kinds; foreign and domestic. Keep in
> > mind that
> > democracy does not happen overnight. It took US and Canada over 200
> > years
> > for their democracies and still not 100% perfect. Do not forget
> > that your
> > well being here in US or Canada is the result of the current
> > government
> > policy.
> >
> > Here I go again......You must learn how to give back, not just
> > take. Or
> > giving back is not what you believe in? Stop taking from an little
> > old lady
> > like the one you did in Hawaii. She gave you so much of what she
> > had; she
> > had to collect cans and saved portion of her SS incomes to
> > contribute to
> > your Buddhism preach, because she trusted you as a true monk.
> >
> > I am going to stop here and hoping that you are able to start giving
> > back
> > with your heart.
> >
> >
> > Heng Sombat
> > Irvine, Ca
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> > Behalf
> > Of sophan
> > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:59
> > To: Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org
> > Subject: Re: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post
> >
> > Hi Heng Sombat and Kangkaroo;
> >
> > Some info you claimed is correct, but major of them is wrong about me.
> > If you want to know me more, go to these links.
> >
> > http://www2.hawaii.edu/~csaloha/officers.html
> > or
> > http://www2.hawaii.edu/~sophan/
> >
> > I am not affiliated with any political parties inside or outside of
> > Cambodia. I am currently a student of UH, and community facilitator.
> > My letter to the Phnom Penh Post has fairly articulated to bring
> > benefits to
> > all sides especially the collective interests of the nation.
> >
> > Please re-read my article again and again before you assume to reply
> > this or
> > that.
> >
> > PS: I am an individual of UH's student. I am not representing all
> > students
> > in this University including Cambodian students studying there, like
> > many
> > other writers who revealed their places such as Phnom Penh,
> > California or
> > others, surely not represent everyone there.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > S.
> >
> > On Jan 7, 10:33 pm, Heng Sombat <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Hello Kararoo,
> >>
> >> Your points are very straight and very much appreciated. The
> >> author
> >> of this letter to Phnom Penh Post has no practical logic or merit
> >> behind his article. He just wanted his name to be read in Phnom Penh
> > Post.
> >>
> >> Sam Rainsy's actions in the last 15 years are very questionable. I
> >> have the opportunity to meet Rainsy when he was the Minister of
> >> Finance and after he got kicked out of the government. He knows how
> >> to use less fortunate people for his personal gain. Just like Koy
> >> Pech in
> > the 1971, Lon Nol Era.
> >> Students died from his actions.
> >>
> >> Now let's look at this author character and purpose of his writing
> >> this article, so we could analyst his intention. I started out by
> >> contacting my fellow friend (let's call him Sok) at Hawaii University
> >> at Manoa Campus to verify who is this Sophan Seng really is.
> >>
> >> Here is what I found out.
> >>
> >> 1. Sophan was a student at UH and had moved back to Canada since
> >> 2009.
> >> 2. He was a monk from Cambodia via Canada before moved to Hawaii. On
> >> top of it, he did served his monk hood properly.
> >>
> >> In the body of his article he expressed the wrong doing of the HS
> >> government, but fail to understand the responsibility of the Rainsy
> >> as MP.
> >> MP is just a law maker not a law enforcer. What authority does MP
> >> has
> >> to act as POLICE. Rainsy's action only create division among our
> >> people, but fail to promote solidarity. His actions only make us
> >> Khmer
> > weak.
> >>
> >> If you talk about corruption, let's us ash how Rainsy live with his
> >> MP
> >> salary. Someone is paying for his living cost plus traveling in and
> >> out of Cambodia whenever he wishes to travel.
> >>
> >> I suggest that Sophon think twice before he writes again about the HS
> >> government. HS is not perfect, but the best government we had in the
> >> last 100 years. We all able to get higher education and freedom to
> >> express our opinion more than previous governments. Freedom of speech
> >> has come a long way. But please keep freedom of speech within
> >> limitation.
> >>
> >> Let's look at our previous government: Sihanouk's government
> >> fail.......
> >> Lon Nol's government fail...... Pol Pot's government fail to year
> >> ZERO. I guess Sophan wants to live year Zero again.
> >>
> >> One more note for Sophon, if you are not with UH or speaking on
> >> behalf of UH, please do not sign on behalf of UH, because your
> >> article
> >> to Phnom Penh Post created concern for UH Cambodian Students in
> >> Hawaii. Not all students in UH approved your statement.
> >>
> >> Heng Sombat
> >> Irvine, Ca
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> >> Behalf
> >>
> >> Of sopha
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 5:56 AM
> >> To: Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org
> >> Subject: Re: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post
> >>
> >> On Jan 7, 2:28 am, kangaroo <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> Reading your article “Three more sought in removal of post at
> >>>> Svay
> >>>> Rieng border” (January 4) broke my heart.
> >>
> >>>> The villagers should be congratulated and taken care of by the
> >>>> government for their courage in publicly claiming their ownership
> >>>> of the rice paddies and denouncing the violation of their
> >>>> territory by Vietnamese authorities who have mismanaged the
> >>>> process of demarcating the border. Instead, as unbelievable as it
> >>>> may sound, these five farmers face a terrifying fate and the loss
> >>>> of their status
> >> as “good” citizens.
> >>
> >>> Look at their acts. They have done something on their own hands
> >>> along with Sam Rainsy. Did they do the right thing?
> >>> Look at it yourself. A small group of people disagree with border
> >>> demarkation along with their leader, Sam Rainsy. They acted
> >>> illegally whether you like it or not. They did a wrong thing.
> >>> Actually, they did it to demonstarte their disagreement with the
> > government.
> >>> Be serious about it. Doing a wrong thing to correct a wrong thing
> >>> would never work. Sam Rainsy and that small group of people did just
> >>> that. Now they are facing their consequences.
> >>> Oh ask those people this. They did it along with Sam Rainsy in that
> >>> village. Now, they all are in trouble including Sam Rainsy. WHERE IS
> >>> SAM RAINSY TODAY?
> >>> How about those people in the group? Where are they today?
> >>
> >> It is good to hear from you. Why all Cambodian people have trouble?
> >>
> >>>> There have been different interpretations of this story within the
> >>>> media, but at the end of the day, no one can deny the truth:
> >>>> Cambodian people living along the borders with Thailand, Laos and
> >>>> Vietnam no longer dare voice their concerns about neighbouring
> >>>> countries encroaching on their territory and stealing their land
> >>>> for
> >> fear of reprisals.
> >>
> >>> No one can say that Cambodian neighbors have not moved into
> >>> Cambodian territory. However, there is an agreement between
> >>> Cambodian government and Vietnamese government on this demarkation.
> >>> We will never find the demarkation to please everyone. So what is
> >>> the best result. The two countries have to work it out. Until then
> >>> the
> > people will struggle.
> >>
> >> I think Cambodia has had agreement with all neighbors including Preah
> >> Vihear.
> >>
> >>>> On one hand, the government may have good reason to accuse
> >>>> opposition leader Sam Rainsy of acting as a provocateur in
> >>>> bringing news of Vietnam’s mismanagement of border posts to the
> >>>> public. But on the other hand, the government is following a
> >>>> course of action that could rob Cambodia of its strength as a
> >>>> nation and destroy the
> >> immunity of every parliamentarian.
> >>
> >>> My friend,
> >>> Sam Rainsy lead that small group of people to rise against the
> >>> decision of his own government. What do you think that the
> >>> government would do? Let us say that Sam Rainsy is the prime
> >>> minister of Cambodia today. What would he do if Hun Sen did like
> >>> that?
> >>> Is prime minister Sam Rainsy going to ignore the illegal act against
> >>> his government?
> >>
> >> Good point but what kind of decision? Any participation from the pp
> >> and NGOs?
> >>
> >>>> At the grassroots level, Cambodian people living along the border
> >>>> will no longer dare to stand up and protest against the theft of
> >>>> their land by neighbouring countries. At the national level,
> >>>> parliamentarians – both government and opposition – will lose
> >>>> confidence in their abilities to serve the genuine interests of
> >>>> the
> >> people.
> >>
> >>> They cannot stand up for their right. The government cannot please
> >>> all of those people at once. Nor the government can find a solution
> >>> to make them happy on both side. There is no way. The agreement
> >>> between Vietnam and Cambodia is set a fire storm. Some are happy and
> >>> some are not. The government has no position to win on this
> >>> position. That's honest. Don't tell me that prime minister Sam
> >>> Rainsy would do any better. This situation has no winning in sight.
> >>
> >> That might be called agreement of self-suicide or dividing Khmers.
> >> Why
> >> Khmers are dividing?
> >>
> >>>> The government must evaluate the situation fairly if it is to
> >>>> effecctively represent the nation’s interests. I would like to
> >>>> appeal to the government to restore the prowess of elected
> >>>> parliamentarians and allow them to fulfil their duties, which are
> >>>> more important than those of the lower court of Svay Rieng. I
> >>>> would also like to appeal to the government to drop all charges
> >>>> against the five farmers – Prak Chea, Neang Phally, Prak Koeun,
> >>>> Meas Srey and
> >> Prom Chea – and release them without condition.
> >>
> >>> Sam Rainsy is dead. He acted on his own hands against his own
> >>> government in his own country. He created that opportunity for those
> >>> who hate him to be able to destroy him. He miscalculated his act.
> >>> Actually, he is a stupid leader to act like that.
> >>
> >>>> Sophan Seng
> >>>> University of Hawaii
> >>
> >>> And what does it make you to be since you have studied in the
> >>> University of Hawaii?
> >>> Are you smarter than others?
> >>> Are you always right since you are a student of an American
> >>> university?
> >>> By the way, are you living in Cambodia as a real Cambodian?
> >>
> >> Where are you living? What is your real name? I am feeling
> >> intimidated
> >> by your message and sharp argument. If you are really loving Khmer
> >> nation, let show our real intention to the issue on how to solve the
> >> problem. We can walk together to help Cambodia. Let I know you
> >> personally or in this forum, so we can pursue our collective goal. No
> >> Khmers are marginalized, we all are Khmers.
> >>
> >> S.
> >
> >
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