Monk and women can stay together lol. You must be an idiot! On Saturday, January 16, 2010, rattanakiri <[email protected]> wrote: > Some people may not realize it but speak ill of someone including making a > harsh and quick judgement unfairly on someone is unbecoming a buddisht. > Remember, Buddha teaching speak rightly only. > In a poor country like Cambodia, monastery life is a way out of poverty and a > chance for a proper education. In fact, many celebrated Khmer leaders and > scholars owed their career to their days in as a monk. I think not any > Cambodians would be shocked if a monk rejoins his civilian life. Cambodian > buddhists offer money, food to monks in order to receive good karma, > blessing. Should the monks refund the money, foods back if he returns to > civilian life. Would you expect the monk perform a return of good karma, > blessing back to heaven from those people? Give me a break. > > Savouth Chea wrote: > > > Aloha, > > As a resident of Hawaii, which Sophan Seng claims he represents, I wanted to > share my observations, thoughts, and also questions about his motives. > Unfortunately, I didn't like what I saw of him, and I only foresee further > disruption. > > Sophan Seng came to Hawaii to further his education back in 2006. The first > time he set foot in Hawaii, I introduced him to some Cambodian community > members since he was a Khmer new to the island. Some knew his background > from the past and had their opinions (good but mostly bad), but I tried not > to take people's word for it. As months progressed, however, I came to see > that the warnings I had heard were true. First, he used the Buddhist > religion to advance himself rather than becoming a monk selflessly in > dedication to Buddha. How do I know this? While attending the University of > Hawaii, he lived in a co-educational dormitory. One may think this is not a > big deal nowadays, but should a monk put himself in the company and living > quarters of females? Is this appropriate? He often flirted with young > female members of our community and made inappropriate comments - causing > some of our youth and their parents to become very upset! He was affiliated > with a so-called ‘temple’ in Hawaii, and performed Buddhist ceremonies. That > was reasonable because he was a monk, right? But in 2009, he visited > Cambodia from Hawaii, ostensibly still a monk, but came back to the United > States only a couple of months later with a wife! Prior to his trip back to > Cambodia, he told members of the community in Hawaii that he was going there > to represent and gain support for the temple and the Buddhist religion. The > ‘temple committee’ gave him $400, and some individual people also gave him > money, since he was a monk and/or student. Poor him, right? When he came > back with a wife, people were shocked. Did he care? Apparently not. He did > not attempt to explain himself nor apologize for using the monies to go back > to Cambodia to get married. No, he used religion for personal gain. Sad but > true. > > To people that do not know him, Sophan Seng represents himself as a > ‘community facilitator.’ To be a facilitator, ideally one has to be neutral, > or at least try to maintain neutrality. Instead, he openly expresses his > opinion about Cambodian politics. In fact, even as a monk, whose studies are > supposed to focus on learning and internalizing Buddhist principles and the > path to peace, he chose to pursue a degree in /political science/. Most if > not all of the articles he has written to the Phnom Penh Post (PPP) discuss > politics. At the close of each of his articles, he signed "Sophan Seng, > University Hawaii at Manoa, United States," or "Cambodian Students of Aloha" > (the University's student organization). This might indicate that his > opinions echo those of other Khmer at the University of Hawaii. They do not. > Again, he is not representing the university, Khmer in Hawaii, or the > United States of America. He used these closures to make himself look good > with outside parties. Not all Khmer in Hawaii (or elsewhere in the United > States) agree with him. > In his previous correspondence, Sophan stated, “If you want to know me more, > go to these links.” The links he provided, > http://www2.hawaii.edu/~csaloha/officers.html > <http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Ecsaloha/officers.html> and > http://www2.hawaii.edu/~sophan/ <http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Esophan/>, are > links that were self-created -- using the university- related resources > (originally created for the use of the student group as a whole) for personal > gain, again. Was the information he put on the site approved by the > majority of the students in the organization? Has anyone else affiliated > with the CSAloha used this site for personal boasting? No. Not even the > founders, myself or Mr. Chanthoeun To, ever considered using this site to > toot our own horns. The purpose of CSAloha, ‘…does not represent any > political or religious ideologies both on/off campus.’ Yet he used the > university-based name/group to send articles about politics to PPP and other > media. Like Mr. Heng Sombat mentioned in his email, ‘He just wanted his name > to be read in Phnom Penh Post.’ > > Most of the articles he wrote to the PPP from Hawaii attacked the current > Cambodian government and sided with opposition political parties. Hmmm . . . > Sophan, when you were in Cambodia, did you write any articles to the PPP? Or > did you simply enjoy yourself there and then come back to the safety of the > U.S. to criticize Cambodia? Why attack the government of your own country? > Do you just use your country for personal gain as well? Samdech Hun Sen has > been a Prime Minister for years. He lives in Cambodia most of his life, > unlike Mr. Sam Rainsy. When problems arise in the country, Samdech Hun Sen > is still there. How about Mr. Sam Rainsy? He leaves the country when > problems come up. Then, his students and his followers pay the price since > they can’t leave the country like him. Now, I am not affiliated with any > political party in Cambodia. I am simply noting that you only support a > given official or bureaucrat when it suits you. Perhaps it is easier to get > an American scholarship if you are attacking a socialist country leader > rather than supporting him? Sophan, why try to divide the country instead of > uniting it? Are you using your Canadian and US bases to get asylum to live > abroad permanently?? > > Your articles to the PPP do not help the current issues in Cambodia; instead, > you are dividing the government and her people. Before you decide to sound > off your opinion again, you should take a look at yourself in the mirror > again and think about whether you are helping Cambodia with your words and > actions, or, by pretending to be some sort of expert from the safety of your > current North American address, making things worse for the people of our > motherland. > > Savouth Chea > > Honolulu, Hawaii > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] De la part > de Heng Sombat > Envoyé : samedi 9 janvier 2010 21:08 > À : [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Objet : RE: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post > > Sophan, > > The CSALOHA website is very outdated > (http://www2.hawaii.edu/~csaloha/officers.html > <http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Ecsaloha/officers.html>). I do not > think any of the > information on the site are correct. You need to update it or take > the site > down. False information via internet or posted on the internet is > also a > crime. > > Per my information with the East West Center, you are no longer a > student > there. Plus you have sent many articles about Cambodian-Canadian's > activities which only proof that you are currently residing in Canada. > > There is not much to read into your article. Your intention is > not to help > Cambodia or her people. Question: Have you even hold a job that > produced > normal income and paid income-tax since you live here, US or > Canada? If > not, you have no idea what is democracy is. So please do not preach > democracy to others. From your resume, you have been a > professional student > and monk most of your adult life. > > Per my conversation with my friend Sok in Hawaii, your short term > in Hawaii > during your monk hood was fulfill with sins. Let me relate (one > issue) to > you and to our audience that wish to know more about you, since > you wanted > others to know about you as well. Correct me if my information is > incorrect, but I have no doubt about what I am about to share. > > During your study at University of Hawaii you were living in a co-ed > University housing that was provided by East West Center (funded > by American > tax payers). This mean that you were sharing your domicile with young > college girls. This alone violated Buddhism practice already. > Most of the > young girls in these days covered their body with less and less > garments, > especially when they are in their domiciles. I will stop here on > this issue > and let you and the audience of CAMDIS takes it from here. > > I have more to share, if you want me to go on! Trust me. > > Here is my suggestion. Stop attacking and putting down Cambodian > people and > her government via Phnom Penh Post. Posting article via Phnom Post > will be > read by mostly foreigners, in Phnom Penh and aboard, your article > will only > stack more mud on the Cambodian people. This government is not > perfect. If > you care, let's help Cambodian people by helping the government to > improve > their mean and way of doing government businesses. Let's start with > solidarity first. Solidarity is the most effective way to > consolidate power > and fight the enemy of all kinds; foreign and domestic. Keep in > mind that > democracy does not happen overnight. It took US and Canada over > 200 years > for their democracies and still not 100% perfect. Do not forget > that your > well being here in US or Canada is the result of the current > government > policy. > > Here I go again......You must learn how to give back, not just > take. Or > giving back is not what you believe in? Stop taking from an > little old lady > like the one you did in Hawaii. She gave you so much of what she > had; she > had to collect cans and saved portion of her SS incomes to > contribute to > your Buddhism preach, because she trusted you as a true monk. > > I am going to stop here and hoping that you are able to start > giving back > with your heart. > > > Heng Sombat > Irvine, Ca > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf > Of sophan > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:59 > To: Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org > <http://www.cambodia.org> > Subject: Re: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post > > Hi Heng Sombat and Kangkaroo; > > Some info you claimed is correct, but major of them is wrong about me. > If you want to know me more, go to these links. > > http://www2.hawaii.edu/~csaloha/officers.html > <http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Ecsaloha/officers.html> > or > http://www2.hawaii.edu/~sophan/ <http://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Esophan/> > > I am not affiliated with any political parties inside or outside of > Cambodia. I am currently a student of UH, and community facilitator. > My letter to the Phnom Penh Post has fairly articulated to bring > benefits to > all sides especially the collective interests of the nation. > > Please re-read my article again and again before you assume to > reply this or > that. > > PS: I am an individual of UH's student. I am not representing all > students > in this University including Cambodian students studying there, > like many > other writers who revealed their places such as Phnom Penh, > California or > others, surely not represent everyone there. > > Regards, > > S. > > On Jan 7, 10:33 pm, Heng Sombat <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Hello Kararoo, > > > > Your points are very straight and very much appreciated. The > author > > of this letter to Phnom Penh Post has no practical logic or merit > > behind his article. He just wanted his name to be read in Phnom > Penh > Post. > > > > Sam Rainsy's actions in the last 15 years are very questionable. I > > have the opportunity to meet Rainsy when he was the Minister of > > Finance and after he got kicked out of the government. He > knows how > > to use less fortunate people for his personal gain. Just like Koy > > Pech in > the 1971, Lon Nol Era. > > Students died from his actions. > > > > Now let's look at this author character and purpose of his writing > > this article, so we could analyst his intention. I started out by > > contacting my fellow friend (let's call him Sok) at Hawaii > University > > at Manoa Campus to verify who is this Sophan Seng really is. > > > > Here is what I found out. > > > > 1. Sophan was a student at UH and had moved back to Canada since > 2009. > > 2. He was a monk from Cambodia via Canada before moved to > Hawaii. On > > top of it, he did served his monk hood properly. > > > > In the body of his article he expressed the wrong doing of the HS > > government, but fail to understand the responsibility of the > Rainsy as MP. > > MP is just a law maker not a law enforcer. What authority does > MP has > > to act as POLICE. Rainsy's action only create division among our > > people, but fail to promote solidarity. His actions only make us > > Khmer > weak. > > > > If you talk about corruption, let's us ash how Rainsy live with > his MP > > salary. Someone is paying for his living cost plus traveling in and > > out of Cambodia whenever he wishes to travel. > > > > I suggest that Sophon think twice before he writes again about > the HS > > government. HS is not perfect, but the best government we had > in the > > last 100 years. We all able to get higher education and freedom to > > express our opinion more than previous governments. Freedom of > speech > > has come a long way. But please keep freedom of speech within > limitation. > > > > Let's look at our previous government: Sihanouk's government > fail....... > > Lon Nol's government fail...... Pol Pot's government fail to year > > ZERO. I guess Sophan wants to live year Zero again. > > > > One more note for Sophon, if you are not with UH or speaking on > > behalf of UH, please do not sign on behalf of UH, because your > article > > to Phnom Penh Post created concern for UH Cambodian Students in > > Hawaii. Not all students in UH approved your statement. > > > > Heng Sombat > > Irvine, Ca > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On > > Behalf > > > > Of sopha > > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 5:56 AM > > To: Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org > <http://www.cambodia.org> > > Subject: Re: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post > > > > On Jan 7, 2:28 am, kangaroo <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Reading your article “Three more sought in removal of post > at Svay > > > > Rieng border” (January 4) broke my heart. > > > > > > The villagers should be congratulated and taken care of by the > > > > government for their courage in publicly claiming their > ownership > > > > of the rice paddies and denouncing the violation of their > > > > territory by Vietnamese authorities who have mismanaged the > > > > process of demarcating the border. Instead, as unbelievable > as it > > > > may sound, these five farmers face a terrifying fate and the > loss > > > > of their status > > as “good” citizens. > > > > > Look at their acts. They have done something on their own hands > > > along with Sam Rainsy. Did they do the right thing? > > > Look at it yourself. A small group of people disagree with border > > > demarkation along with their leader, Sam Rainsy. They acted > > > illegally whether you like it or not. They did a wrong thing. > > > Actually, they did it to demonstarte their disagreement with the > government. > > > Be serious about it. Doing a wrong thing to correct a wrong thing > > > would never work. Sam Rainsy and that small group of people > did just > > > that. Now they are facing their consequences. > > > Oh ask those people this. They did it along with Sam Rainsy in > that > > > village. Now, they all are in trouble including Sam Rainsy. > WHERE IS > > > SAM RAINSY TODAY? > > > How about those people in the group? Where are they today? > > > > It is good to hear from you. Why all Cambodian people have trouble? > > > > > > There have been different interpretations of this story > within the > > > > media, but at the end of the day, no one can deny the truth: > > > > Cambodian people living along the borders with Thailand, > Laos and > > > > Vietnam no longer dare voice their concerns about neighbouring > > > > countries encroaching on their territory and
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