លោក kangaroo មានយោបល់ដូចខ្ញុំបេះបិទ !សូមគាំទ្រ!! Sorry I can't write in English
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > The killing itself was done according to their ideology. It was not a > Vietamese orchestrated events as many people have been trying to tell > the world. I just want to point out that Cambodians like that lack of > self responsibility. They blame everything on others, and portrait > themselves to be victims. The facts show clearly how the Khmer Roiuge > did it. > They went along with their ideology and their teachers taught them. > They wanted pure society. First, they killed intellectual. Then they > killed the rest except those who were embedded into their new society > purely, mainly children. > > However, Khmer Rouge was so smart to fight the war with very little > that they had. The biggest part of their puzzle was the motivation > from the peasants. They promote that group of people by inciting them > to hate those who were in the upper class. They hated so much. That > was why they fought and fought to win. Finally they had the > opportunity to revenge. They killed and killed and killed endlessly. I > don't know you remember it or not. Khmer Rouge elevated the poor > peasant class to be the upper class of the society. They could do not > wrong. They were the heart and sould of the Kampuchea communist > revolution. > > It is very wrong to say that Vietnamese orchestrated all of that. > > On Aug 19, 2:16 am, Pheng Kim Ving <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hello cppamerican cppamerican, >> >> Thank you. >> >> Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just >> the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed >> them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They >> killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian >> people who didn't live under their control during the civil war, >> whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous >> regime. >> >> Pheng Kim Ving >> >> On Aug 18, 8:19 am, cppamerican cppamerican <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > សូមគាំទ្រការអត្ថាធិប្បាយរបស់់លោកPheng Kim Ving! >> > វាពិតណាស់ ការសម្លាប់រង្គាលក្រោមរបបកម្ពុជាប្រជាធិបតេយ្យ >> > គឺមកពីខ្មែរមកពីពួកខ្មែរក្រហមជ្រុលនិយមខ្លួនឯងហ្នឹង មានផែនការឆ្កួតលីលា >> > ដោយពួកគេចង់បានសង្គមមួយស្អាតស្អំល្អឥតខ្ចះ >> > យោងទៅតាមពួកនេះ គឺពួកគេត្រូវកម្ចាត់ឲ្យអស់នូវខ្មាំងសត្រូវ >> > អ្នកប្រឆាំងបដិវត្ត ពួកនាយទុន ពួកសក្តិភូមិប្រតិកិរិយា >> > ជាពិសេសគឺការធ្វើសង្រ្គាមវណ្ណះ។ ការទម្លាក់កំហុស ទៅលើបរទេស >> > ថាដែលជាអ្នកញុះញុងបណ្តាលឲ្យមានការសម្លាប់រង្គាលនោះ គឺមិនអាចទទួលយកបានឡើយ >> > ។ >> >> > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:55 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > Re:http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc/browse_thread/thread/c159a7a28... >> >> > > Suorsdey Loork Khoar Chev, >> >> > > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide) >> > > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I >> > > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear >> > > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide, >> > > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had >> > > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't >> > > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge >> > > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the >> > > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have >> > > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement. >> >> > > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot >> > > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam >> > > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide. >> > > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community >> > > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the >> > > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea >> > > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has >> > > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide. >> >> > > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in >> > > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge >> > > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed >> > > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very >> > > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of >> > > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because >> > > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and >> > > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they >> > > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course >> > > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about >> > > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the >> > > beginning. >> >> > > It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais. >> > > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the >> > > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais >> > > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to >> > > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t >> > > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful >> > > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it >> > > was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged >> > > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees. >> >> > > In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify >> > > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously >> > > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about >> > > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported >> > > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this >> > > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they >> > > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their >> > > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites >> > > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the >> > > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of >> > > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes. >> >> > > Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing >> > > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above- >> > > mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and try >> > > to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other >> > > nations, they send a message to other Khmers that it's ok to kill the >> > > Khmers (you're not at fault when you kill innocent Khmers, it's the >> > > fault of other nations), a new genocide will likely happen again, or a >> > > series of smaller-scale massacres will take place again and again and >> > > again. I know what's wrong: it's hatred. The Khmer Rouge committed the >> > > genocide against the Cambodian people because they hated the Cambodian >> > > people. I don't need to read any book about the genocide; I >> > > experienced the Khmer Rouge regime hands-on. >> >> > > Besides, when a Khmer accuses other nations of making the Khmers kill >> > > the Khmers, he/she implicitly declares, perhaps unknowingly or >> > > subconsciously, that the Khmers are so silly that other nations can >> > > make them kill other Khmers. >> >> > > Pheng Kim Ving >> >> > > -- >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > > Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org" group. >> > > This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. >> > > Thank you for your understanding. 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