លោកបង sacrava បានបង្ហាញ* សត្វ**យោគីយោគាអោយគេ**ឯងបាន* ស្គាល់ ? ខ្ញុំយល់ថា ការបង្ហាញរូបភាពនេះ គឺវាមិនចំនិងកាលះទេសះសោះឡើយ ផ្ទុយទៅវិញ គឺវាប៉ះចំទៅលើសាមីខ្លួនឯងទៅវិញទេ ជាក់ស្ដែង ថ្មីៗ នេះ លោកបង Khoar Chev បានសារភាព ថា រូបគាត់មិនមែនជាអតិតមេទ័ពខ្មែរក្រហមឡើយ គាត់បានបន្ថែមទៀតថា ការសរសេរលើកមុនៗនោះ គឺជាការលេងសើចតែប៉ុណ្ណោះ គាត់បានសរសេរយ៉ាងនេះ* I joked along in my story, most of friends here are laughing, knew that it was a joke* !!! ដូច្នេះក្រោយពីលោក Khoar Chev បានផ្សព្វផ្សាយអត្ថបទនេះភ្លាម ស្រាប់តែមានអស់លោកមួយ ចំនួនបានស្ទុះហេ ចេញមុខ មកការពារ ។ ដូច្នេះ យោងទៅតាម ប្រតិកម្មដែលបានកើតឡើងនៅក្នុងវេទិការ Camdisc ថ្មីៗនេះ តើភាគីណាដែលសក្កិសម និងទទួលមុខងារក្នុងរូបភាពសត្វយោគីយោគានេះ ? គួរពុំគួរសូមអភ័យទោស !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:05 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > ធម្មតាសត្វយោគីយោគា គឺចាំបាច់ត្រូវតែយឹតយោងគ្នាអញ្ចឹងហើយ! > សូមបងសកាវាទ៍ ជួយបង្ហាញរូបសត្វយោគីយោគាអោយគេបាន > ស្គាល់ផងបានទេ? > > *Khoar Chev* *( Made in Cambodia )* > > --- On *Thu, 8/19/10, cppamerican cppamerican <[email protected]>*wrote: > > > From: cppamerican cppamerican <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: What's Wrong?? It's Hatred > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 5:02 PM > > លោក kangaroo មានយោបល់ដូចខ្ញុំបេះបិទ !សូមគាំទ្រ!! > Sorry I can't write in English > > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, > <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>> > wrote: > > The killing itself was done according to their ideology. It was not a > > Vietamese orchestrated events as many people have been trying to tell > > the world. I just want to point out that Cambodians like that lack of > > self responsibility. They blame everything on others, and portrait > > themselves to be victims. The facts show clearly how the Khmer Roiuge > > did it. > > They went along with their ideology and their teachers taught them. > > They wanted pure society. First, they killed intellectual. Then they > > killed the rest except those who were embedded into their new society > > purely, mainly children. > > > > However, Khmer Rouge was so smart to fight the war with very little > > that they had. The biggest part of their puzzle was the motivation > > from the peasants. They promote that group of people by inciting them > > to hate those who were in the upper class. They hated so much. That > > was why they fought and fought to win. Finally they had the > > opportunity to revenge. They killed and killed and killed endlessly. I > > don't know you remember it or not. Khmer Rouge elevated the poor > > peasant class to be the upper class of the society. They could do not > > wrong. They were the heart and sould of the Kampuchea communist > > revolution. > > > > It is very wrong to say that Vietnamese orchestrated all of that. > > > > On Aug 19, 2:16 am, Pheng Kim Ving > > <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>> > wrote: > >> Hello cppamerican cppamerican, > >> > >> Thank you. > >> > >> Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just > >> the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed > >> them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They > >> killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian > >> people who didn't live under their control during the civil war, > >> whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous > >> regime. > >> > >> Pheng Kim Ving > >> > >> On Aug 18, 8:19 am, cppamerican cppamerican > >> <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > > > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > សូមគាំទ្រការអត្ថាធិប្បាយរបស់់លោកPheng Kim Ving! > >> > វាពិតណាស់ ការសម្លាប់រង្គាលក្រោមរបបកម្ពុជាប្រជាធិបតេយ្យ > >> > គឺមកពីខ្មែរមកពីពួកខ្មែរក្រហមជ្រុលនិយមខ្លួនឯងហ្នឹង មានផែនការឆ្កួតលីលា > >> > ដោយពួកគេចង់បានសង្គមមួយស្អាតស្អំល្អឥតខ្ចះ > >> > យោងទៅតាមពួកនេះ គឺពួកគេត្រូវកម្ចាត់ឲ្យអស់នូវខ្មាំងសត្រូវ > >> > អ្នកប្រឆាំងបដិវត្ត ពួកនាយទុន ពួកសក្តិភូមិប្រតិកិរិយា > >> > ជាពិសេសគឺការធ្វើសង្រ្គាមវណ្ណះ។ ការទម្លាក់កំហុស ទៅលើបរទេស > >> > ថាដែលជាអ្នកញុះញុងបណ្តាលឲ្យមានការសម្លាប់រង្គាលនោះ គឺមិនអាចទទួលយកបានឡើយ > >> > ។ > >> > >> > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:55 AM, > >> > <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>> > wrote: > >> > > Re: > http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc/browse_thread/thread/c159a7a28... > >> > >> > > Suorsdey Loork Khoar Chev, > >> > >> > > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide) > >> > > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I > >> > > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear > >> > > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide, > >> > > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had > >> > > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't > >> > > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer > Rouge > >> > > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the > >> > > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have > >> > > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement. > >> > >> > > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol > Pot > >> > > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused > Vietnam > >> > > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide. > >> > > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international > community > >> > > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even > the > >> > > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's > Kampuchea > >> > > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has > >> > > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide. > >> > >> > > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in > >> > > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge > >> > > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already > witnessed > >> > > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very > >> > > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon > of > >> > > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not > because > >> > > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and > >> > > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they > >> > > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course > >> > > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about > >> > > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the > >> > > beginning. > >> > >> > > It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais. > >> > > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the > >> > > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais > >> > > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to > >> > > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t > >> > > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still > grateful > >> > > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; > it > >> > > was the UN and the international community especially the US who > urged > >> > > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees. > >> > >> > > In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify > >> > > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously > >> > > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only > about > >> > > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported > >> > > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this > >> > > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they > >> > > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their > >> > > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the > Whites > >> > > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the > >> > > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of > >> > > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit > crimes. > >> > >> > > Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing > >> > > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above- > >> > > mentioned racial group. If the Khmers don't look in the mirror and > try > >> > > to find out what's wrong with them but instead they blame other > >> > > nations, they send a message to other Khmers that it's ok to kill > the > >> > > Khmers (you're not at fault when you kill innocent Khmers, it's the > >> > > fault of other nations), a new genocide will likely happen again, or > a > >> > > series of smaller-scale massacres will take place again and again > and > >> > > again. I know what's wrong: it's hatred. The Khmer Rouge committed > the > >> > > genocide against the Cambodian people because they hated the > Cambodian > >> > > people. I don't need to read any book about the genocide; I > >> > > experienced the Khmer Rouge regime hands-on. > >> > >> > > Besides, when a Khmer accuses other nations of making the Khmers > kill > >> > > the Khmers, he/she implicitly declares, perhaps unknowingly or > >> > > subconsciously, that the Khmers are so silly that other nations can > >> > > make them kill other Khmers. > >> > >> > > Pheng Kim Ving > >> > >> > > -- > >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org" group. > >> > > This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul > language. > >> > > Thank you for your understanding. 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