> OK, but not as helpful as I'd hoped for. Earlier you were espousing
> a specific kind of breakdown, GUI vs Model.
Actually, I was proposing it. Since I haven't tried it yet, I don't
think I would espouse it.
> I was thinking that that specific breakdown would be "hot" along
> the edges. Then you said that people could move around at will,
> which led me to wonder where they were moving from and
> to, and you answered that it was from one stand-up meeting to
> another.
Yes, and the problem with this is?
> I'm sure you meant your answer to be responsive or evocative or
> otherwise helpful.
Sorry if it wasn't.
> In what way does the sentence "We're adults" advance our common
> understanding? Does it mean "... and you're not"? Does it mean "...
> and true adults would know the meaning of all this"? Or ...
It means that we're adults just like you are. We're capable of being
responsible for ourselves, organizing ourselves, working out
among ourselves the best ways of getting things done.
You're asking a lot of questions that sound like "What process is
used to do X." and my answer is "We're people. People are more
important than processes. The people are likely to change the
process on the fly and find a better way of doing things. The
process isn's likely to change the people the same way.
> Yes, sure. How will you work it out?
Those people with an interest in it will get in a room and make a
decision. If no one shows up, that's a decision.
> Are your teams really as random as you're suggesting here,
> or is there some kind of pattern behind the breakout?
New project -> New team.
New concept by a team member that sounds good -> New team.
Old project -> Pick a way to maintain it. Usually dissolve team.
Ressurected project -> Is it big enough for a new team?
Something that doesn't need a team -> Autonomous person/people.
> I do trust you. I'm asking you how you're organized.
What I'm hearing you say is "I'm asking you what organizes you."
I would respond with: "We organize ourselves."
> Does a radically changed set of people show up at each stand-up
every
> morning?
No, because changes in the organization are gradual, not radical.
> Is there really no underlying pattern to how "things" are allocated
> across the groups?
The last change involved getting a bunch of people in a room and
having them move post-it notes with peoples names on it until
they were happy. Before that meeting took place, everyone
indicated their first and second preferences. Everyone moving
was talked with to make sure that they were comfortable with
the results.
Before that, one team needed some additional help, someone was asked
if they could help, and that person agreed.
Once I decided that I needed off a a project ASAP. Within a week I had
found a new home, and everything's been great for me. I've hired
people to replace me, trained people to replace me, and basicly made
myself completely worthless to the organization, freeing me up to
learn
new valuable things that I can do for the team.
> I also expect that it isn't just that some of the ants came in and
> moved their wood chips randomly to another pile.
The ants came in and worked out among themselves what piles the wood
chips needed to be in. Those ants are a lot smarter than people give
them credit for,
> How does that person know that they are the right person? Even the
> web has routing tables.
Yeah. We have Germaine. Same thing.
> Is there really no pattern to the kinds of thing one person knows
> about and the kinds of things another knows about?
Is there here in this forum? Was it planned or did it just work out
that way? why did Alistair to go do all this Crystal stuff. Why did
Kent write XP 2.0? Why did JR stay in Toronto and explore what
Solo XP really looks like? What's the pattern?
> Is there really no continuity to what a person knows today and what
> they know tomorrow? Is there really no dimensioning?
I never heard of DeBono a year ago. Why do I now know what "po" is?
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