On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Mauricio Scheffer <
[email protected]> wrote:

> inline
>
> On Feb 23, 9:43 am, Roelof Blom <[email protected]> wrote:
> > The 'problem' is twofold:
> >
> >    1. When we used svn we did this with svn:externals on the tools
> >    directory:
> >    *^/buildtools/NUnit/2.5.3/ NUnit
> >    ^/buildtools/MSBuildCommunityTasks/r492/ MSBuildCommunityTasks*
> >    This way you got get two folders named *NUnit* and
> *MSBuildCommunityTasks
> >    *below the tools folder,
> >    and you could reference these from scripts. Notice how both point to a
> >    specific version (url really).
> >    I am pretty sure Git cannot do this.
> >
>
> Not sure I understand... you *can* point a submodule to any commit you
> want.
>
I know, but you cannot point to a path *in* the repository. Call it deep
linking if you want, something that svn supports.
AFAIK, you can only get the whole repository.

>
> >    2. The other is the not-so-obvious 'git submodule init;git submodule
> >    update', especially when you switch between branches
> >    this is non-trivial and easy to forget. At least this is what I
> >    understood from googling a bit, and the last section of
> >    http://progit.org/book/ch6-6.html
> >
>
> Yes, but I think this is a very rare case... I don't think we will
> have branches pointing to different commits of a submodule.
>

True.
However if you currently clone a Castle project, you have to get the
buildscripts module separately (git submodule update). I'd rather just clone
the repository and be done.

>
> > In addition, to update a submodule reference over the projects you need
> to
> > update (git checkout master, git pull, git push) on every submodule in
> every
> > project because, unlike in svn, the head cannot be automatically tracked.
> I
> > guess it's just as easy (easier?) to update that shared thing on all your
> > local git clones and push them.
> >
> > With the projects being split there's no real story to keep all things
> equal
> > for all projects, IMHO.
>
> I agree. IMHO this is just like binary dependencies (i.e. each project
> controls its own dependencies, including buildscripts).
>
> So what do we do about buildtools? Submodule them? Copy them?
>

Copy them.

>
> >
> > -- Roelof.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Mauricio Scheffer <
> >
> >
> >
> > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > I didn't have any issues with the buildscripts submodule... what was
> > > the problem with buildtools?
> >
> > > On Feb 23, 1:48 am, John Simons <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > Re the use of submodules, so how come we are using them for the
> > > > buildscripts?
> >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > John
> >
> > > > On Feb 22, 10:58 pm, Roelof Blom <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Inline
> >
> > > > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:42 PM, John Simons <
> > > [email protected]>wrote:
> >
> > > > > > Thanks guys, good links :)
> >
> > > > > > Re repositories on github, I've noticed we've added a submodule
> for
> > > > > > the buildscripts to the already migrated projects, I was
> wondering if
> > > > > > it makes also sense to add the buildtools(Nant, nunit, ....) as
> > > > > > submodules so that we can just clone and build?
> >
> > > > > I've tried this but submodules work differently than svn:externals,
> and
> > > come
> > > > > with a whole share of problems, check this out:
> > >http://progit.org/book/ch6-6.html
> >
> > > > > > Also, the following repositories can be deleted:
> > > > > > Castle.Components.EmailSender
> > > > > > Castle.Facilities.BatchRegistration
> > > > > > Castle.Services.Logging
> > > > > > Castle.Facilities.Cache
> > > > > > Castle.Services.Transaction
> >
> > > > > Will do
> >
> > > > > > and finally, the presentation that Krzysztof  pointed me to
> > > > > > mentions .gitignore file, should we add this file to each
> repository
> > > > > > to exclude bin, obj,....?
> >
> > > > > Yup
> >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > John
> >
> > > > > > On Feb 22, 7:54 pm, Krzysztof Koźmic (2) <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > John,
> >
> > > > > > > watch this presentation:
> > > > > >http://jagregory.com/writings/git-e-van-recording/
> >
> > > > > > > very good stuff that will kickstart you into using git
> >
> > > > > > > On 22 Lut, 08:47, John Simons <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > Mauricio or Henry,
> >
> > > > > > > > Can I please have one of you migration "TemplateEngine
> > > Component"?
> > > > > > > > I would do it, but I have zero experience using git, so I
> feel
> > > very
> > > > > > > > nervous doing it!
> >
> > > > > > > > Also, can someone give me some pointers on what to install on
> my
> > > > > > > > workstation? Do I install both msysgit (any specific
> > > configuration or
> > > > > > > > just use defaults when installing it) and tortoisegit? Any
> advice
> > > is
> > > > > > > > welcomed :)
> >
> > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > John
> >
> > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 10:19 pm, Ken Egozi <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > 10x
> >
> > > > > > > > > 2010/2/20 Henry Conceição <[email protected]>
> >
> > > > > > > > > > I can take care of MR too, if someone doesn't step in.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > Henry Conceição
> >
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Ken Egozi <
> > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > any chance someone might be able to do the history
> trick
> > > for MR?
> > > > > > > > > > > all of my spare OSS time is now consumed by performance
> > > > > > improvements to
> > > > > > > > > > > AspView, which I've been doing on my MR fork @ github
> (got
> > > to
> > > > > > love git
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > github). By now I managed to push a complex page with
> many,
> > > > > > deeply nested
> > > > > > > > > > > subviews, from about a  second down to the
> neighbourhood of
> > > > > > 100ms.
> > > > > > > > > > > apparently the code I initially transformed from the
> old
> > > .boo
> > > > > > code of
> > > > > > > > > > brail,
> > > > > > > > > > > plus the tons of naive changes I applied over the
> years,
> > > was not
> > > > > > too good
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Roelof Blom <
> > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> Done.
> > > > > > > > > > >> git://
> >
> > >
> github.com/castleproject/Castle.Facilities.AutomaticTransactionManagement.git
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> -- Roelof.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Henrik Feldt <
> > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> :) When you’ve migrated it
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> From: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf
> > > Of
> > > > > > Roelof
> > > > > > > > > > Blom
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Sent: den 19 februari 2010 21:25
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Subject: Re: So do we GIT now?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> huh?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Henrik Feldt <
> > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Tell me updates as you go, please.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Cheers,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Henrik
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> From: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf
> > > Of
> > > > > > Roelof
> > > > > > > > > > Blom
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Sent: den 19 februari 2010 20:38
> > > > > > > > > > >>> To: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Subject: Re: So do we GIT now?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> I am currently working on moving the AutoTX facility.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> 2010/2/19 Henry Conceição <[email protected]
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Ok, so I'll continue to move some repos to github.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> I'm planning to move all the facilties on the next
> days.
> > > Is
> > > > > > everybody
> > > > > > > > > > >>> ok with that?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Henry Conceição
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 6:21 PM, John Simons <
> > > > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Agree
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> > On Feb 18, 5:19 am, Henry Conceição <
> > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> So, we all agree that one scm is better than two
> and
> > > there
> > > > > > is no
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> problem to have all the history and not only the
> > > relevant
> > > > > > part for
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> each repo?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> Henry Conceição
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Roelof Blom <
> > > > > > [email protected]
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > Inline
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:24 AM, John Simons
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> Mauricio,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> All very good points :)
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> Inline
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> Cheers
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> John
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> On Feb 16, 12:29 pm, Mauricio Scheffer <
> > > > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> >  * It's simpler to have one SCM than two.
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> I agree, but I thought we were going to freeze
> svn
> > > and
> > > > > > make it
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> readonly, or is this not the plan?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > Which thread was that decided on? I don't like
> the
> > > idea of
> > > > > > having
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > two SCM's,
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > see the recent thread on the users list about
> APTCA
> > > in
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > checkout
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > from the "wrong" svn project. Another reason not
> to
> > > keep
> > > > > > SVN is to
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > bring
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > down bandwith costs for Stronghold.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> >  * Browsing history is a big selling point of
> > > git,
> > > > > > since you
> > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> > all
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> > history locally there is no network overhead.
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> No problems with this except maybe as Roelof
> > > pointed out
> > > > > > "I
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> expected
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> to see only "relevant" commits" to the current
> > > project.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > As I also pointed out this was my expectation,
> which
> > > can
> > > > > > be far
> > > > > > > > > > off
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > reality
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > :-)
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > I'm with Mauricio on this. If all that history
> is
> > > really
> > > > > > annoying
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > the hell
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > out of somebody he can always do some magic with
> > > > > > > > > > git-filter-branch.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > -- Roelof.
> >
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