Kevin and Meena's points and passions are wonderful guiding principles on the 
ways we interact with, enjoy, and respect nature. I would love to be involved 
in some group discussions and creative recommendations. They don't say get out 
into nature...but stay in your car while doing it. 

Linda

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On Aug 4, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Meena Madhav Haribal <m...@cornell.edu> wrote:

> Hi Kevin and all, 
> 
> Great thoughts Kevin! I am with you on these points!
> 
> Also I would like enjoy other creatures too, it is a wildlife refuge not just 
> for birds. I would like to see a dragonfly  or a flower or a digger wasp 
> making it home for its progeny. You can't see a digger wasp from your car!  
> So the refuges are not meant for specifically birds or birders. 
> 
> Unless people enjoy the nature they will not support nature conservation. 
> Most of the people who come there want to enjoy nature not just birders.
> 
> Basic thing needed is educating the public about their behavior. If a person 
> stands at one location for long time enough without harassing a bird  then 
> they are as effective as cars. Also everybody  is not interested in 
> photographing a bird. If they see some actions by birds they are happy about 
> it!
> 
> Having said that, I would also suggest that there could be comprises. At 
> strategic locations there could be blinds or shelters. Also walks could be 
> open for certain time of the day, so as to get birds a chance to do what they 
> are supposed to do. For example the dykes on the Knox Marsellus could be open 
> to public to walk for certain hours of the day. As it is birds are miles 
> away.  
> 
> If we all together put in our efforts we can make solid recommendations to 
> the refuge or if the refuge managers are reading e-mails they themselves can 
> think of some of the alternatives.
> 
> If we want people to enjoy nature they should see them up close, a shorebird 
> three miles away has not effect on a general public than a bird close at hand 
> and watching its behaviors. Then only they will support conservation!
> 
> We need people to enjoy the nature and love it!
> 
> Hope we will make some changes!
> 
> Cheers
> Meena
> 
> 
> 
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> From: bounce-117686987-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-117686987-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Kevin J. 
> McGowan
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 12:03 PM
> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
> Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] ...pedestrians on the Wildlife Drive :(
> 
> Of course birds let you get closer when you're in a car. That's as true at 
> Stewart Park and along any back road as it is in Montezuma. I do a ton of 
> observation and photography from my car, sometimes even in my own driveway.
> 
> That's great for one person, but it stinks for groups. 
> 
> Having to remain in a car on the wildlife drive diminishes the possible 
> experience of any group, especially a group with a scope, which cannot be 
> used by multiple people (the best teaching tool for groups). It also 
> diminishes the potential experience for kids and anyone who would like to get 
> out and get a closer look.
> 
> I'm hearing a lot of 1%-er talk, "I want to optimize my experience, and the 
> riff-raff should just stay away (or stay in their cars)." I am as guilty (or 
> more) as anyone of wanting to have the entire refuge to myself. But in the 
> bigger picture, I don't see having too many people enjoying nature at 
> Montezuma as the problem.  I think it's quite the opposite: there are too FEW 
> people learning about nature there.  
> 
> Those of us interested in nature and supportive of the National Wildlife 
> Refuge system should want EVERYONE to get out of their cars and poke around. 
> I WANT people to peer through the reeds and see a turtle (or maybe a rail).  
> I WANT people to stop and take pictures of the flowers.  I WANT people to get 
> out and marvel at a muskrat mound, and then have a young Bald Eagle fly over 
> their heads. (It's hard to look up from a back seat.)
> 
> In my personal opinion, anything that reduces the availability of wildlife 
> watching and nature exploration for the general public is a bad thing.  Of 
> course safety measures should be in place to protect the wildlife and the 
> habitat. But access and education should be the default. Unless you have a 
> darned good reason, please don't keep me and my kids (and neighbors, and 
> parents, and friends) out.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin McGowan
> Ithaca, NY
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