Hi Linda, Jay replied a couple days ago - forwarded below.
Best - Alicia -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Possible Worm-eating Warblers in Lansing NY Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:02:10 -0400 From: Jay McGowan <jw...@cornell.edu> Reply-To: Jay McGowan <jw...@cornell.edu> To: Linda Orkin <wingmagi...@gmail.com> CC: Barbara Bauer Sadovnic <bsadov...@htva.net>, KitKat PonyBird <kitkatponyb...@gmail.com>, Cayugabirds-L <Cayugabirds-L@cornell.edu> Hi Linda, Yes, clicking that will give us a record of it, but it won't be a lot to go on otherwise. One thing that will help long-term would be to make a recording of the bird, then upload it to an eBird checklist (doing some light editing following our best practices <https://support.ebird.org/en/support/solutions/articles/48001064341-audio-preparation-and-upload-guidelines> whenever possible). This won't have any immediate effect on the model of course, but longer term it will provide us with more diverse examples to train on. Jay On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:34 AM Linda Orkin <wingmagi...@gmail.com <mailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com>> wrote: Jay I wonder if you can say what we should do if we know song ID is incorrect. I got worm eating warbler for chipping sparrow down by vas’s park rink today and I clicked no match. Is that the best way to tri and alert Merlin to an incorrect choice? Linda Orkin > On Jul 6, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Jay McGowan <jw...@cornell.edu > <mailto:jw...@cornell.edu>> wrote: > > > This is a good reminder that the new Sound ID function in Merlin > is a great way to cue into new sounds and learn to ID birds, but > should never be taken as the final word on an identification. In > this case, trilling species like Worm-eating Warbler, Chipping > Sparrow, Dark-eyed Junco, and even Pine Warbler can be challenging > for even experienced birders to identify with confidence, and the > sound ID model has trouble being sure as well. Juncos in > particular pose a challenge, with their extreme variation between > individuals. So certainly, if you're in the right habitat, look a > little harder for a bird flagged as a possible Worm-eating, but in > the cases you describe, these were almost certainly Chipping > Sparrows. > > P.S. I'd be happy to take a listen to a recording if you want to > send it privately. > > Jay > > On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 6:38 PM Barbara Bauer Sadovnic > <bsadov...@htva.net <mailto:bsadov...@htva.net>> wrote: > > The same thing happened to me today, also while eating > breakfast on my porch, in Enfield! I also tried BirdNET, and > got the same result, although that might have been a “wild > guess.” When I went looking for it I thought I saw a chipping > sparrow, but couldn’t get a good look. > > Later in the day the bird (I think the same bird) was closer, > and was identified as a chipping sparrow. But I couldn’t find it. > > Just now I heard it again, and again Merlin thought > “worm-eating warbler.” When I got closer Merlin changed his > mind to chipping sparrow, and when I finally got a good look, > I did see chipping sparrow, singing. > > I am really enjoying the new Merlin. > >> On Jul 4, 2021, at 1:15 PM, KitKat PonyBird >> <kitkatponyb...@gmail.com <mailto:kitkatponyb...@gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> >> >> While enjoying breakfast on my back porch today, I heard an >> unfamiliar bird. The new Sound ID on the Merlin app came up >> with Worm-eating Warbler. >> >> Merlin says this bird is rare for this area. I heard at >> least three of the same song from different locations at >> nearly the same time. Still hearing them around. >> >> I did a couple of recordings, but don't know (yet) how to >> share them. 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