Hi Ben Once you start working for a partner they automatically get your number :( I had a problem when I wanted to leave a partner and go to a different one. I like you paid for all of my study and exam. When then new partner looked at my ccie it was locked to the old partner even though I had not even told them I had passed it was to do with who I worked for not that I had given them my number. As I left on good grounds they did a letter of release to cisco so I could then use my number and status with the new partner. If you look around CCO there are about 10 lines covering this but you do have to look for it. As you can see below it protects the investment the partner made? Nothing about your investment they assume that its all down to the partner :(
Q: Does Cisco have a protection policy for the investment that a partner has made in training CCIEs? A: Yes. Cisco recognizes the investment that partners make in order to attain the required number of CCIEs to become certified, and has set forth the following policy: Losing Partner: If the loss of a CCIE takes a certified partner below the number of CCIEs required for certification, the partner must notify Cisco of its noncompliance within 30 days. Cisco then determines whether or not the partner qualifies for an extension of 6 months to replace the CCIE in order to avoid decertification. A partner who voluntarily terminates the employment of a CCIE may not qualify for the time extension. During the extension period, the partner retains its certification as long as all other certification requirements are met. If a partner does not notify Cisco of its noncompliance with the CCIE requirement within 30 days and Cisco identifies the CCIE deficiency, the partner is given an extension of 60 days to replace the CCIE in order to avoid decertification. This extension period begins when Cisco notifies the partner of noncompliance. Gaining Partner: If a partner hires a CCIE away from another Cisco certified or specialized partner, Cisco will not count this individual toward certification or specialization for the hiring partner for a period of 12 months from the date of hire. This rule does not apply if a Cisco certified or specialized partner terminated the CCIE. In this case, Cisco will require documentation from the partner that terminated the CCIE. Dave From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ben Shaw Sent: 08 October 2012 07:34 To: [email protected] Subject: [OSL | CCIE_Security] Negotiating employers use of CCIE Number Hi All, I was wondering what peoples thoughts are on the use of ones CCIE number as a negotiation tool with a potential employer? I recently passed my CCIE after taking a year off work to study. During that time not only did I forgo an income I also paid for all elements of my study including the following: - Complete rack equipment - Books - IPExpert Bootcamp and Workbooks - Three written exam attempts - Two lab exam attempts - Two flights from Australia to San Jose (one for bootcamp/exam, one for exam) - Three weeks accommodation while in the USA I am now returning to the workforce and am negotiating with potential employers and wanted some feedback on what may be the best approach to attempt to recuperate some of these costs. I feel that the weekly income I earn from my employer is in exchange for my services and does not automatically entitle them to use my CCIE number for improved partner status when they did not contribute towards me obtaining this certification. I feel that if my number is going to be used towards my employer being able to buy equipment at greater discount from Cisco then the costs incurred by me while achieving that number should be shared, if not covered, by the employer. Disregarding any lost income over the last year I have spent around $25,000 on equipment, exams, books, bootcamps, flights etc to achieve this certification and would ideally like my next employer to agree to cover some of these costs. I think the most reasonable ones to negotiate on are the exams, flights and accommodation costs considering I don't plan to give them any books, equipment or training materials I purchased. Can anyone share their thoughts on if they believe my stance is reasonable and if so what may be a good approach when bringing this up during negotiations? I realise that while this may all be reasonable in theory it may not be the best way to begin employment with a new company so should be dealt with carefully. Does anyone have an experience in dealing with such situations? Thanks Ben
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