There is some good information about how CCIE's and their certs are treated.
Given that your CCIE does not really transfer well between partners coming back
into the workforce or having a CCIE that is not currently tied to a partner is
what is called a "free agent". Once you have tied your cert to a partner they
own that cert in the portal for at least 6 month and up to 9 months for CCIE's.
You cannot re-attach yourself and be counted for partner certification for a
period of 1 year.
Having a CCIE is a bargaining chip. You can either get a higher salary, by a
lot, or get paid for your study.
If your a free agent, your CCIE is worth money as it can be tied to a partner
and counted for certification today.
Brian
From: Ben Shaw <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012 7:23 AM
To: George Leslie
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: IPExpert Study List
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>,
"[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>"
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Security] [OSL | CCIE_RS] Negotiating employers use of
CCIE Number
Hi All
thanks very much for the input.
It would seem the general consensus is not to bring it up in my discussions.
While I feel like I still would like to I also realise that as yet I don't feel
I know what would be the best way to do this and because of this feel that
unless I at the least come up with a good way to bring this up then I shouldn't.
That being said I see your points and think that a smarter way is probably to
just make sure that I negotiate a salary that in the not to distant future
covers the expenses I had to pay in the last year.
Thanks again for all your input.
Ben
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:30 AM, George Leslie
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Ben,
G'day.
I'll add my 2p worth. And this may not be popular with others on the list, but
what the hey....
If you choose to self finance your CCIE, (and I pretty much am repeating your
route to get it....no pun intended), then you choose to take a short term
financial hit (loss of income, study materials, exam costs, travel costs etc
etc) but in turn increase your salary for the rest of your life.
If you were a CCNP before, that goes with a certain salary range. CCIEs get
more (although definitely not as lucrative as it once was) and an employer will
factor that into the salary range they offer. This increase, over time, will
pay back your initial investment and get you back in credit as it were.
I think CCIE should be seen as an investment, not as a cost. You invest time,
effort, money, blood, sweat and tears and lots of caffeine. Eventually you get
back a 5 digit number. That number over time earns you additional income that
will pay back at least the money aspect. OK, you may now have grey hair, need
stronger reading glasses, and completely forgotten what it is like of have s**
with your missus but that is part of the sacrifice. CCIE is so much more than
just the money. It is like about showing you are amongst the best in your
profession, it is about proving to yourself and the world you can do it, and
with so many CCNP cheats out there now, proving you really know your subject
matter.
I have been on the employer side of these sorts of arguments before, so if I
can put my company recruiter hat on for now...
I think it completely wrong to ask an employer to directly pay for some of the
cost you have incurred. That was your choice, not theirs. Similarly, if the
employer accrues additional benefit by having a CCIE, this is part of why they
are recruiting for this job, and offering the salarary they are. To directly
ask them to pay you for this benefit is again completely wrong.
If a CCIE candidate came before me for interview and made these two demands, my
response would be two word and the second one would be "off".
I completely understand where you are coming from, don't get me wrong, but to
try these two tactics at an interview would be a disaster for you!!
Anyway, light blue touch paper and stand well back....
George.
> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 17:35:04 +1100
> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: [OSL | CCIE_RS] Negotiating employers use of CCIE Number
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I was wondering what peoples thoughts are on the use of ones CCIE number as
> a negotiation tool with a potential employer? I recently passed my CCIE
> after taking a year off work to study. During that time not only did I
> forgo an income I also paid for all elements of my study including the
> following:
>
>
>
> - Complete rack equipment
>
> - Books
>
> - IPExpert Bootcamp and Workbooks
>
> - Three written exam attempts
>
> - Two lab exam attempts
>
> - Two flights from Australia to San Jose (one for bootcamp/exam, one for
> exam)
>
> - Three weeks accommodation while in the USA
>
>
>
> I am now returning to the workforce and am negotiating with potential
> employers and wanted some feedback on what may be the best approach to
> attempt to recuperate some of these costs.
>
>
>
> I feel that the weekly income I earn from my employer is in exchange for my
> services and does not automatically entitle them to use my CCIE number for
> improved partner status when they did not contribute towards me obtaining
> this certification. I feel that if my number is going to be used towards my
> employer being able to buy equipment at greater discount from Cisco then
> the costs incurred by me while achieving that number should be shared, if
> not covered, by the employer.
>
>
>
> Disregarding any lost income over the last year I have spent around $25,000
> on equipment, exams, books, bootcamps, flights etc to achieve this
> certification and would ideally like my next employer to agree to cover
> some of these costs. I think the most reasonable ones to negotiate on are
> the exams, flights and accommodation costs considering I don’t plan to give
> them any books, equipment or training materials I purchased.
>
>
>
> Can anyone share their thoughts on if they believe my stance is reasonable
> and if so what may be a good approach when bringing this up during
> negotiations? I realise that while this may all be reasonable in theory it
> may not be the best way to begin employment with a new company so should be
> dealt with carefully. Does anyone have an experience in dealing with such
> situations?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Ben
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