G'day Ben, It seems that these days recruiters see CCIE as the starting base that a potential candidate should have to be considered, ie, "Must have CCNA or CCIE". This demonstrates they have NFI in what either of them actually mean. They also don't care about what it takes to get either of them. This one reason why I am working to obtain a second one, perhaps it goves me some komd of "edge" over those with "only" one CCIE, writing this in my bed in a dive hotel in San Jose at 5:30am before my Security Bootcamp, after flying to the other side of the planet with my time zones all out of whack when all my mates are at home sinking pints like I should be.
So there is "step one". Now, in my view, once you get past step one and secure and interview with a potential employer, is where they care less about your CCIE and care more about your skills and experience. This has already been addressed in a previous post so I won't readdress it. The people you talk to at step two are not too fussed about your number, unless it is a partner requirement or they just have little clue (I won't repeat what has already been mentioned). Now, having said all this, in my travels I have interviewed the following sorts of people, one lady posted a fake CCIE number on her CV. The verification tool did not match her name. She had a foreign sounding name so I queried with Cisco if she had just anglicised it for professional reasons which is not uncommon. What was even more interesting was she claimed to have her SP CCIE done in 2010 and her CCNA in 2011. When the query from Cisco came back that she was full of it I reported her arse. A second instance, who actually got to the interview stage, was a guy who put the CCIE Security logo on his CV. He claimed he knew everything so I tested him on his genious and mad skillz. When I asked him his number he said he did not have one and the logo was there because he thought it looked good on his CV as he was apparently working towards it. In addition, he claimed to know everything about CatOS based switches ( the environment in question still had some 6k5s/Sup2/MSFCs). I asked him what he knew about CatOS v9 and he then sprouted how he was the guru in v9 and how he even supported 20 v9 devices in his current employment. He was most embarrassed when I told him that v8 was the highest version and suffice to say we did not offer him the role. Anyway I'm rambling and I think I need more sleep. I'll see whoever I see at the bootcamp today. Also if I've made spelling mistakes or have been crazy autocorrected then I don't particularly care. Cheers, Matt On Monday, 8 October 2012, Fawad Khan wrote: > That is really good information Dave, thank you. > > On Monday, October 8, 2012, Dave Craddock wrote: > > Hi Ben **** > > ** ** > > Once you start working for a partner they automatically get your number LI > had a problem when I wanted to leave a partner and go to a different one. > I like you paid for all of my study and exam. When then new partner looked > at my ccie it was locked to the old partner even though I had not even told > them I had passed it was to do with who I worked for not that I had given > them my number. As I left on good grounds they did a letter of release to > cisco so I could then use my number and status with the new partner. If you > look around CCO there are about 10 lines covering this but you do have to > look for it. As you can see below it protects the investment the partner > made? Nothing about your investment they assume that its all down to the > partner L**** > > ** ** > > Q: Does Cisco have a protection policy for the investment that a partner > has made in training CCIEs?**** > > *A:* Yes. Cisco recognizes the investment that partners make in order to > attain the required number of CCIEs to become certified, and has set forth > the following policy: > > Losing Partner: > If the loss of a CCIE takes a certified partner below the number of CCIEs > required for certification, the partner must notify Cisco of its > noncompliance within 30 days. Cisco then determines whether or not the > partner qualifies for an extension of 6 months to replace the CCIE in order > to avoid decertification. A partner who voluntarily terminates the > employment of a CCIE may not qualify for the time extension. During the > extension period, the partner retains its certification as long as all > other certification requirements are met. > > If a partner does not notify Cisco of its noncompliance with the CCIE > requirement within 30 days and Cisco identifies the CCIE deficiency, the > partner is given an extension of 60 days to replace the CCIE in order to > avoid decertification. This extension period begins when Cisco notifies the > partner of noncompliance. > > Gaining Partner: > If a partner hires a CCIE away from another Cisco certified or specialized > partner, Cisco will not count this individual toward certification or > specialization for the hiring partner for a period of 12 months from the > date of hire. This rule does not apply if a Cisco certified or specialized > partner terminated the CCIE. In this case, Cisco will require documentation > from the partner that terminated the CCIE.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Dave**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ben Shaw > *Sent:* 08 October 2012 07:34 > *To:* ccie_security > > -- > FNK, CCIE Security#35578 >
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