That is really good information Dave, thank you. On Monday, October 8, 2012, Dave Craddock wrote:
> Hi Ben **** > > ** ** > > Once you start working for a partner they automatically get your number LI > had a problem when I wanted to leave a partner and go to a different one. > I like you paid for all of my study and exam. When then new partner looked > at my ccie it was locked to the old partner even though I had not even told > them I had passed it was to do with who I worked for not that I had given > them my number. As I left on good grounds they did a letter of release to > cisco so I could then use my number and status with the new partner. If you > look around CCO there are about 10 lines covering this but you do have to > look for it. As you can see below it protects the investment the partner > made? Nothing about your investment they assume that its all down to the > partner L**** > > ** ** > > Q: Does Cisco have a protection policy for the investment that a partner > has made in training CCIEs?**** > > *A:* Yes. Cisco recognizes the investment that partners make in order to > attain the required number of CCIEs to become certified, and has set forth > the following policy: > > Losing Partner: > If the loss of a CCIE takes a certified partner below the number of CCIEs > required for certification, the partner must notify Cisco of its > noncompliance within 30 days. Cisco then determines whether or not the > partner qualifies for an extension of 6 months to replace the CCIE in order > to avoid decertification. A partner who voluntarily terminates the > employment of a CCIE may not qualify for the time extension. During the > extension period, the partner retains its certification as long as all > other certification requirements are met. > > If a partner does not notify Cisco of its noncompliance with the CCIE > requirement within 30 days and Cisco identifies the CCIE deficiency, the > partner is given an extension of 60 days to replace the CCIE in order to > avoid decertification. This extension period begins when Cisco notifies the > partner of noncompliance. > > Gaining Partner: > If a partner hires a CCIE away from another Cisco certified or specialized > partner, Cisco will not count this individual toward certification or > specialization for the hiring partner for a period of 12 months from the > date of hire. This rule does not apply if a Cisco certified or specialized > partner terminated the CCIE. In this case, Cisco will require documentation > from the partner that terminated the CCIE.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Dave**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] <javascript:_e({}, > 'cvml', '[email protected]');> [mailto: > [email protected] <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', > '[email protected]');>] *On Behalf Of *Ben Shaw > *Sent:* 08 October 2012 07:34 > *To:* [email protected] <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', > '[email protected]');> > *Subject:* [OSL | CCIE_Security] Negotiating employers use of CCIE Number* > *** > > ** ** > > Hi All,**** > > **** > > I was wondering what peoples thoughts are on the use of ones CCIE number > as a negotiation tool with a potential employer? I recently passed my CCIE > after taking a year off work to study. During that time not only did I > forgo an income I also paid for all elements of my study including the > following:**** > > **** > > - Complete rack equipment**** > > - Books**** > > - IPExpert Bootcamp and Workbooks**** > > - Three written exam attempts**** > > - Two lab exam attempts**** > > - Two flights from Australia to San Jose (one for bootcamp/exam, one for > exam)**** > > - Three weeks accommodation while in the USA**** > > **** > > I am now returning to the workforce and am negotiating with potential > employers and wanted some feedback on what may be the best approach to > attempt to recuperate some of these costs.**** > > **** > > I feel that the weekly income I earn from my employer is in exchange for > my services and does not automatically entitle them to use my CCIE number > for improved partner status when they did not contribute towards me > obtaining this certification. I feel that if my number is going to be used > towards my employer being able to buy equipment at greater discount from > Cisco then the costs incurred by me while achieving that number should be > shared, if not covered, by the employer.**** > > **** > > Disregarding any lost income over the last year I have spent around > $25,000 on equipment, exams, books, bootcamps, flights etc to achieve this > certification and would ideally like my next employer to agree to cover > some of these costs. I think the most reasonable ones to negotiate on are > the exams, flights and accommodation costs considering I don’t plan to give > them any books, equipment or training materials I purchased.**** > > **** > > Can anyone share their thoughts on if they believe my stance is reasonable > and if so what may be a good approach when bringing this up during > negotiations? I realise that while this may all be reasonable in theory it > may not be the best way to begin employment with a new company so should be > dealt with carefully. Does anyone have an experience in dealing with such > situations?**** > > **** > > Thanks**** > > Ben**** > -- FNK, CCIE Security#35578
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