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Why not do what i suspect most people do anyhow -i.e. run a job with and without adhering to the criteria or are you paying for your cpu??...and it doesn't take long to run a job! I also rarely have found it telling me the Wilson was nice -but how many nice Wilsons do you know? So would opt to run ignoring arp expertise first (as even Perrakis does -it this in the manual ;-), if it doesn't work try it again adhering -if that doesn't try another program, if that doesn't work then try sitting in front of your computer and do some manual building (its probably more fun anyhow)! I'd suggest the next release of arp/warp should do this automatically ;-) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anastassis Perrakis (NKI) Sent: jeudi 17 novembre 2005 14:31 To: Phil Evans Cc: [email protected] *** For details on how to be removed from this list visit the *** *** CCP4 home page http://www.ccp4.ac.uk *** On Nov 17, 2005, at 12:18, Phil Evans wrote: > *** For details on how to be removed from this list visit the *** > *** CCP4 home page http://www.ccp4.ac.uk *** > > > Anastassis Perrakis (NKI) writes: >> >> Have you looked at the whole Wilson plot in general, if it has the >> right peaks and valleys etc etc ? >> You can do that with ccp4/Wilson and its also done by default when you >> run ARP/wARP, the latter >> having the advantage of seeing the expected shape as established in >> the >> 'BEST' work of Popov et al. >> > > I would comment that I have yet to find any dataset, including some > truly excellent ones, which pass the arp/warp Wilson plot test. > > Has anyone else found a dataset that is OK according to this test? > I have seen one that passed the criteria ! ;-) That is to say that the quality criteria are indeed too strict and will be relaxed in the new release. (a good thing is that it forces you to look at the Wilson plot, but its indeed annoying...). I admit in most cases I decide to 'Continue' ... ' with bad data' unless the low resolution or high resolution are really really very bad - visually. I don't like personally the 'Limit Resolution' button. Victor and Sasha might not agree with me though. But, 'overly cautious' is a fare characterization, although Phil might argue its a bit mild ! Tassos > Phil > >
