As famously observed by the Yes Minister team....the dream outcome for any 
organization:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-5zEb1oS9A&feature=youtube_gdata_player

J
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On 07/04/2012, at 3:16 AM, Patrick Loll <pat.l...@drexel.edu> wrote:

> Ron makes an excellent point. Many institutions devote far more energy to 
> limiting risk than to doing the right thing. This leads administrators to a 
> frightening, but logical conclusion: The less science we do, the less chance 
> of our doing something that could invite a penalty on the university. This 
> translates into rules intended to head off bad behavior, but which in fact 
> make it more difficult to do honest science, and increase the administrative 
> burden (our IT group has already made great strides in this direction--if you 
> can't connect to the network, then you can't use it to violate HIPAA!).
> So I agree that we should be cautious about "improvements."
> Pat
> 
> 
> On 6 Apr 2012, at 12:23 PM, Ronald E Stenkamp wrote:
> 
>> Dear John,
>> 
>> Your points are well taken and they're consistent with policies and 
>> practices in the US as well.  
>> 
>> I wonder about the nature of the employer's responsibility though.  I sit on 
>> some university committees, and the impression I get is that much of the 
>> time, the employers are interested in reducing their legal liabilities, not 
>> protecting the integrity of science.  The end result is the same though in 
>> that the employers get involved and oversee the handling of scientific 
>> misconduct.  
>> 
>> What is unclear to me is whether the system for dealing with misconduct is 
>> broken.  It seems to work pretty well from my viewpoint.  No system is 
>> perfect for identifying fraud, errors, etc, and I understand the idea that 
>> improvements might be possible.  However, too many "improvements" might 
>> break the system as well.
>> 
>> Ron 
>> 
> 
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