I say write them out onto acid-free paper: should be good for at least 300 
years without active management, if there is no fire.  If that doesn't work, I 
believe babylonian clay tablets have an even longer expected life time…. 

Dale, I must say I am impressed… I gave up after the exabyte to DAT transition, 
and decided that if I really wanted to get data sets from (my) old projects, it 
would be easier to regrow the crystals…

                                                                        Adrian


On 13 Dec 2012, at 00:22, Dale Tronrud wrote:

>   I don't believe there is a solution that does not involve active
> management.  You can't write your data and pick up those media 25
> years later and expect to get your data back -- not without some
> heroic effort involving the construction of your own hardware.
> 
>   I have data from Brian Matthews' lab going back to the mid-1970's
> and those data started life on 7-track mag tapes.  I've moved them
> from there to 9-track 1600 bpi tapes, to 9-track 6250 bpi tapes, to
> just about every density of Exabyte tape, to DVD, and most recently
> to external magnetic hard drives (each with USB, Firewire, and eSATA
> interfaces).  The hard drives are about five years old and so far
> are holding up.  Last time I checked I could still read the 10 year
> old DVD's.  I'm having real trouble reading Exabyte tapes.
> 
>   Write your data to some medium that you expect to last for at least
> five years but anticipate that you will then have to move them to
> something else.
> 
>   Instead of spending time working on the 100 year solution you should
> spend your time annotating your data so that someone other than you
> can figure out what it is.  Lack of annotation and editing is the
> biggest problem with old data.
> 
> Dale Tronrud
> 
> P.S. If someone needs the intensities for heavy atom derivatives of
> Thermolysin written in VENUS format, I'm your man.
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/12/2012 1:57 PM, Richard Gillilan wrote:
>> Better option? Certainly not TAPE or electromechanical disk drive. CD's and 
>> DVD's don't last nearly that long and James Holton has pointed out.
>> 
>> I suppose there might be a "cloud" solution where you rely upon data just 
>> floating around out there in cyberspace with a life of its own.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Dale Tronrud wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>>   Good luck on your search in 100 years for a computer with a
>>> USB port.  You will also need software that can read a FAT32
>>> file system.
>>> 
>>> Dale "Glad I didn't buy a lot of disk drives with Firewire" Tronrud
>>> 
>>> On 12/12/2012 1:02 PM, Richard Gillilan wrote:
>>>> SanDisk advertises a "Memory Vault" disk for archival storage of photos 
>>>> that they claim will last 100 years.
>>>> 
>>>> (note: they do have a scheme for estimating lifetime of the memory, 
>>>> Arrhenius Equation ... interesting. Check it out: 
>>>> www.sandisk.com/products/usb/memory-vault/ and click the Chronolock tab.).
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone here looked into this or seen similar products?
>>>> 
>>>> Richard Gillilan
>>>> MacCHESS
>>>> 

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