Dear all,

Thank you very much for all your messages. Unfortunately, I'm still on the same place, as yesterday...

First of all, I prepared a pdb/cif file of the ligand based on CCDC entry 1176355 containing FESAN molecule. Also, I prepared SMILES file based on SMILES of CB5 ligand (COSAN) available on PDB, where I simply switched Co into Fe atom.

-> When I tried use acedrg with SMILES, I received an error info:

Input file: FSM.smi
Output dictionary file: C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/hsa_fesan_04_27.cif
Output coordinate file: C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/hsa_fesan_04_27.pdb
workMode :  12
Can not generate a molecule from the input SMILES string!
Check your SMILES or report the bug
Can not get the element symbols of atoms. Check input file format
Error : The job stops because of errors

-> When I tried use acedrg with *pdb/*cif files I received no output files:

Input file: fsm.cif
Output dictionary file: C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/hsa_fesan_04_21.cif
Output coordinate file: C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/hsa_fesan_04_21.pdb
workMode :  11
Number of atoms in the cif file  0

-> When I tried use acedrg with *.mol file I received no output files:

Input file: fsm.mol
Output dictionary file: C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/hsa_fesan_04_28.cif
Output coordinate file: C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/hsa_fesan_04_28.pdb
workMode :  13
The system contains atoms of the following elements
C       B       Fe      H
The input ligands/molecules contains metal or other heavier atoms
Acedrg currently deals with ligands/molecules with following elements only
C, N, O, S, P, B, F, Cl, Br, I, H
The job finishes succesfully


-> When I tried use prodrg, the program has been crashed:

The program run with command: cprodrg XYZIN "C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/fsm.pdb" LIBOUT "C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/fsm_prodrg1.cif" XYZOUT "C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/fsm_prodrg1.pdb" MOLOUT "C:/data_cryst/hsa_fesan_04/fsm_prodrg1.mol"
has failed with error message
forrtl: severe (157): Program Exception - access violation
Image PC Routine Line Source cprodrg.exe 00007FF623CB058F Unknown Unknown Unknown cprodrg.exe 00007FF623CB05E0 Unknown Unknown Unknown cprodrg.exe 00007FF623CAFB4F Unknown Unknown Unknown cprodrg.exe 00007FF623CB008E Unknown Unknown Unknown cprodrg.exe 00007FF623C5BDA8 Unknown Unknown Unknown cprodrg.exe 00007FF623C3204E Unknown Unknown Unknown cprodrg.exe 00007FF623CAA81E Unknown Unknown Unknown cprodrg.exe 00007FF623CB3144 Unknown Unknown Unknown KERNEL32.DLL 00007FFEB3447034 Unknown Unknown Unknown ntdll.dll 00007FFEB4A22651 Unknown Unknown Unknown
***************************************************************************

-> I am still waiting for tokens from the prodrg web page ;) To be sure, I used two emails, but with no response...

-> Ok, then I back to way I used years ago... JLigand was a good solution, but... actually it is not working at all. I'm working under Windows 10 / CCP4i, and I remember, there was the same issue in previous version of CCP4.

-> Ok, then I back to the oldest solution -> using Sketcher. The program is reading my PDB/CIF, but gave a warning when preparing a library, and of course, no output _mon_lib.cif:

  WARNING : monomer:FSM              - has a minimal description.
  WARNING: there is no metal chirality for:Fe1
  WARNING: coords are not good enough to create Chirality
  WARNING :                  /subroutine CALC_VOBSN/

I attached the PDB file containing the ligand of interest. From my knowledge, it looks correct, but maybe I'm wrong. Have you any idea, where is a problem?

Best,

Rafal

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W dniu 2022-06-06 14:52, Paul Emsley napisaƂ(a):
Although it may not be apparent, there has been a lot of work going on
in Acedrg development regarding Boron.

One cannot say the same for Coot though and I can reproduce the
behaviour reported by Rafa Dolot. If/when I can fix it, it will be
available in 0.9.8.4.

Paul.

On 06/06/2022 13:24, Boaz Shaanan wrote:

Hi,
In case you don't have a cif file for the ligand, I would load the
SMILES expression into acedrg (or use any other input option) to
create a cif file which you can then read into Coot.
Cheers,
Boaz
On Jun 6, 2022 15:06, Rafal Dolot <rdo...@cbmm.lodz.pl> wrote:

Dear CCP4 Users,

I am working with data containing a possible complex of protein with

FESAN (iron bis(1,2-dicarbollide)). Unfortunately, to my knowledge,
this
ligand is not available in PDB. The closest molecule is COSAN
(cobalt
bis(1,2-dicarbollide)), which is labelled as CB5 and is available in
two
PDB entries. I can load this molecule into Coot, but attempts at
ligand
search or refinement of the manually matched molecule result in
freezing
of the Coot window. FESAN is not present in CCDC as a single
molecule,
but only in some complexes. Could you give me some advice on how to
prepare a new ligand like this one, for incorporation into the
protein
and further refinement?

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CRYST1   10.882    9.982   11.836  90.00 113.42  90.00 C 2/m         1
HETATM   19 Fe1  FSM A   1       0.000   0.000   0.000  1.00 20.00          Fe  
HETATM   20  C1  FSM A   1       1.824   0.811   0.584  1.00 20.00           C  
HETATM   21  B1  FSM A   1       0.527   1.423   1.490  1.00 20.00           B  
HETATM   22  B2  FSM A   1      -0.336   0.000   2.129  1.00 20.00           B  
HETATM   23  B3  FSM A   1       3.019   0.000   1.521  1.00 20.00           B  
HETATM   24  B4  FSM A   1       2.182   1.426   2.141  1.00 20.00           B  
HETATM   25  B5  FSM A   1       0.836   0.881   3.152  1.00 20.00           B  
HETATM   26  B6  FSM A   1       2.380   0.000   3.164  1.00 20.00           B  
HETATM   27  H1  FSM A   1       2.197   1.386  -0.276  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   28  H2  FSM A   1       0.015   2.379   1.300  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   29  H3  FSM A   1      -1.408   0.000   2.374  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   30  H4  FSM A   1       4.097   0.000   1.303  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   31  H5  FSM A   1       2.722   2.365   2.336  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   32  H6  FSM A   1       0.500   1.460   4.025  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   33  H7  FSM A   1       3.045   0.000   4.040  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   34  C1E FSM A   1       1.824  -0.811   0.584  1.00 20.00           C  
HETATM   35  C1A FSM A   1      -1.824   0.811  -0.584  1.00 20.00           C  
HETATM   36  C1D FSM A   1      -1.824  -0.811  -0.584  1.00 20.00           C  
HETATM   37  B1A FSM A   1      -0.527   1.423  -1.490  1.00 20.00           B  
HETATM   38  B1D FSM A   1      -0.527  -1.423  -1.490  1.00 20.00           B  
HETATM   39  B1E FSM A   1       0.527  -1.423   1.490  1.00 20.00           B  
HETATM   40  B4E FSM A   1       2.182  -1.426   2.141  1.00 20.00           B  
HETATM   41  H1E FSM A   1       2.197  -1.386  -0.276  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   42  B5E FSM A   1       0.836  -0.881   3.152  1.00 20.00           B  
HETATM   43  H2E FSM A   1       0.015  -2.379   1.300  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   44  H6E FSM A   1       0.500  -1.460   4.025  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   45  H5E FSM A   1       2.722  -2.365   2.336  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   46  B2A FSM A   1       0.336  -0.000  -2.129  1.00 20.00           B  
HETATM   47  B4A FSM A   1      -2.182   1.426  -2.141  1.00 20.00           B  
HETATM   48  B3A FSM A   1      -3.019  -0.000  -1.521  1.00 20.00           B  
HETATM   49  B4D FSM A   1      -2.182  -1.426  -2.141  1.00 20.00           B  
HETATM   50  B5A FSM A   1      -0.836   0.881  -3.152  1.00 20.00           B  
HETATM   51  H2A FSM A   1      -0.015   2.379  -1.300  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   52  B5D FSM A   1      -0.836  -0.881  -3.152  1.00 20.00           B  
HETATM   53  H2D FSM A   1      -0.015  -2.379  -1.300  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   54  H3A FSM A   1       1.408  -0.000  -2.374  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   55  B6D FSM A   1      -2.380  -0.000  -3.164  1.00 20.00           B  
HETATM   56  H4A FSM A   1      -4.097  -0.000  -1.303  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   57  H5D FSM A   1      -2.722  -2.365  -2.336  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   58  H5A FSM A   1      -2.722   2.365  -2.336  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   59  H6A FSM A   1      -0.500   1.460  -4.025  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   60  H7D FSM A   1      -3.045  -0.000  -4.040  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   61  H6D FSM A   1      -0.500  -1.460  -4.025  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   62  H1D FSM A   1      -2.197  -1.386   0.276  1.00 20.00           H  
HETATM   63  H1A FSM A   1      -2.197   1.386   0.276  1.00 20.00           H  
CONECT   19   20   21   22   34
CONECT   19   35   36   37   38
CONECT   19   39   46
CONECT   20   19   21   23   24
CONECT   20   27   34
CONECT   21   19   20   22   24
CONECT   21   25   28
CONECT   22   19   21   25   29
CONECT   22   39   42
CONECT   23   20   24   26   30
CONECT   23   34   40
CONECT   24   20   21   23   25
CONECT   24   26   31
CONECT   25   21   22   24   26
CONECT   25   32   42
CONECT   26   23   24   25   33
CONECT   26   40   42
CONECT   27   20
CONECT   28   21
CONECT   29   22
CONECT   30   23
CONECT   31   24
CONECT   32   25
CONECT   33   26
CONECT   34   19   20   23   39
CONECT   34   40   41
CONECT   35   19   36   37   47
CONECT   35   48   63
CONECT   36   19   35   38   48
CONECT   36   49   62
CONECT   37   19   35   46   47
CONECT   37   50   51
CONECT   38   19   36   46   49
CONECT   38   52   53
CONECT   39   19   22   34   40
CONECT   39   42   43
CONECT   40   23   26   34   39
CONECT   40   42   45
CONECT   41   34
CONECT   42   22   25   26   39
CONECT   42   40   44
CONECT   43   39
CONECT   44   42
CONECT   45   40
CONECT   46   19   37   38   50
CONECT   46   52   54
CONECT   47   35   37   48   50
CONECT   47   55   58
CONECT   48   35   36   47   49
CONECT   48   55   56
CONECT   49   36   38   48   52
CONECT   49   55   57
CONECT   50   37   46   47   52
CONECT   50   55   59
CONECT   51   37
CONECT   52   38   46   49   50
CONECT   52   55   61
CONECT   53   38
CONECT   54   46
CONECT   55   47   48   49   50
CONECT   55   52   60
CONECT   56   48
CONECT   57   49
CONECT   58   47
CONECT   59   50
CONECT   60   55
CONECT   61   52
CONECT   62   36
CONECT   63   35
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